Sergeant Wilson Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: A lovely big slag of a drop in new cases in the Highlands. Utterly splendid. Even the virus is fed up of miserable, over charging teuchters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, oaksoft said: You can't tell because there are at least 4 major differences between January and now - weather, lockdown, Delta and vaccines. It could be any one of those or none of them or a permutation of them. One of many reasons why obsessive testing just isn't really telling us as much as we want it to. ETA. And of course we're testing 3 times as much now. Forgot about that. Perhaps an accurate timeline for comparison is available between wave 1 v now time of inpact of the first lockdown on hospitalisations and deaths, though even that may not be that helpful as you dont know where to start the clock on this wave... It just seems to me that there is an assumption widely held that lockdowns remain a viable and useful option. I just wonder what research has beem done in the time we have had since initiating the lockdown policy that reinforces them as the way to do it. ETA, we are seeing now some folk getting tetchy about the NHS and mooting lockdowns, because the backlog created last year is contributing to the pressure on the service. So its clear from even just thinking on it that way they come with big issies aside from the more obvious ones like furlough etc Edited September 17, 2021 by Bairnardo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He said they hadn't decided yet. If they want to test for new variants they could just dole out free pcr tests to random arrivals, they're only sequencing 5% at the moment anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: Some bird from Edinburgh Uni on BBC news at the moment saying PCR tests should remain. What is it with birds from Edinburgh Uni being such utter fucknuggets? Guy from Birmingham Uni was also quoted on BBC saying the exact same. It should be remembered that they're speaking from purely a scientific perspective and what's best for their own research as opposed to having to deal with real life situations such as public opinion, peoples livelihoods, the Economy etc. So really it's no surprise, the real villains here are our media and how they try and exploit the situation to come up with a scare story or spin to make it sound as if we're all doomed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Elixir said: I think it was that guy who just interviewed Leitch on Drivetime, who said they'd be talking about it over the next few days and it would be for the transport minister and FM to make a decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Wonder if anyone will remind Leitch of his comments roughly a year ago that PCR tests are "a bit rubbish" and ask why he's now clinging to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, oaksoft said: What we can say for sure is that vaccines have clearly worked despite @detournement trying everything in his power to misinterpret the statistics to make it look otherwise. It's hard to conclude anything other than covid being as good as over in terms of hospitalisations and deaths. The big problem now is all the knock-on logistical consequences of obsessively testing and pinging perfectly healthy people. The 7 day average for UK Covid deaths today is 138. This corresponds to the 20th of October last year (when Nipoleon shut the pubs). Highly vaccinated Israel saw a big spike in deaths in August so it's possible the same thing could happen here when we reach a similar time frame from the most vulnerable receiving their vaccines. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Guy from Birmingham Uni was also quoted on BBC saying the exact same. It should be remembered that they're speaking from purely a scientific perspective and what's best for their own research as opposed to having to deal with real life situations such as public opinion, peoples livelihoods, the Economy etc. So really it's no surprise, the real villains here are our media and how they try and exploit the situation to come up with a scare story or spin to make it sound as if we're all doomed. I read that - the clown literally has self-interest in that new testing facility they spunked a fortune on. Another chancer. 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I think it was that guy who just interviewed Leitch on Drivetime, who said they'd be talking about it over the next few days and it would be for the transport minister and FM to make a decision. Let's hope you're right... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Guy from Birmingham Uni was also quoted on BBC saying the exact same. It should be remembered that they're speaking from purely a scientific perspective and what's best for their own research as opposed to having to deal with real life situations such as public opinion, peoples livelihoods, the Economy etc. So really it's no surprise, the real villains here are our media and how they try and exploit the situation to come up with a scare story or spin to make it sound as if we're all doomed. If they want to conduct scientific research it shouldn’t be at cost to an individual traveller and it should be voluntary whether you participate or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: If they want to conduct scientific research it shouldn’t be at cost to an individual traveller and it should be voluntary whether you participate or not. It's also completely at odds with how we monitor influenza. These dangers think the public zips up the back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: If they want to conduct scientific research it shouldn’t be at cost to an individual traveller and it should be voluntary whether you participate or not. Yup, random pcr tests at the airports with an M&S voucher for the willing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: If they want to conduct scientific research it shouldn’t be at cost to an individual traveller and it should be voluntary whether you participate or not. I agree but as Elixir says above, the guy has skin in the game so no surprise at all that he wants PCR testing to continue so he can do his Genomic sequencing. He's not interested in the financial or hassle side but merely explaining to the BBC why he thinks its important. As I say, the real bad guys here are the BBC as it's all a setup job to annoy people and try and provide a "shock" type story to the public. They really are a bunch of absolute chancing charlatans !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 18 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I agree but as Elixir says above, the guy has skin in the game so no surprise at all that he wants PCR testing to continue so he can do his Genomic sequencing. He's not interested in the financial or hassle side but merely explaining to the BBC why he thinks its important. As I say, the real bad guys here are the BBC as it's all a setup job to annoy people and try and provide a "shock" type story to the public. They really are a bunch of absolute chancing charlatans !!! If they thinks it’s that important they should be persuading someone that funds research to pay for it instead of getting a free ride off the public. It isn’t the governments or publics responsibility to set policy to appease some academic and provide him with data for some research paper. That they even think like that is disgraceful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Scotland adopting the same stance to traffic light system, but sticking with the same testing regime as at the moment. https://www.gov.scot/news/international-travel-restrictions-to-be-relaxed-and-simplified/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Scotland adopting the same stance to traffic light system, but sticking with the same testing regime as at the moment. https://www.gov.scot/news/international-travel-restrictions-to-be-relaxed-and-simplified/ Fucking morons.Glad I'm flying into Manchester and not Scotland.I will ignore their pre-departure shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Abdul_Latif said: Scotland adopting the same stance to traffic light system, but sticking with the same testing regime as at the moment. https://www.gov.scot/news/international-travel-restrictions-to-be-relaxed-and-simplified/ They're going to take a few days to decide, which is different from saying they're sticking with it. Quote “However, we have concerns that the UK Government’s proposals to remove the requirement for a pre-departure test for some travellers will weaken our ability to protect the public health of Scotland’s communities. While we want to maintain a four nations approach to these matters, we need to consider urgently their implications.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Mewling about their earnest desire to maintain a four nations approach while choosing to diverge from the rest of the UK because 'reckless Tooooarieees!' is a full-blown minter for the SG. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Lol. The most infected country in the world worried about the risk of flying in untested from *insert literally any country that exists here* 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Comic Con cancelled due to concerns about vaccine passports and face masks. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/comic-con-scotland-film-and-tv-convention-in-edinburgh-called-off-due-to-curbs-on-indoor-events-3386967?fbclid=IwAR3EokriYC22d8eNwgqDGfODoAqjgowvWHUsD0vpscxx6r9nY3TrySR4CS8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They're going to take a few days to decide, which is different from saying they're sticking with it. Do you think they knew nothing about this until it was announced today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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