Billy Jean King Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 The dribbling morons at the press briefing will be demanding it when cases, astonishingly, don't start falling after the passport is introduced. Cases should (have to) start falling long before any passports system becomes compulsory. This will take weeks not days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A rational person would compare that theoretical risk against the known and very real risks of a bad dose of Covid. The risk of 'a bad case of Covid' is absolutely miniscule for people who are not old and/or built like the side of a house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I take it there will be exemptions to the vaccine passport for the Climate Change Conference - surely Sturgeon will not be insisting all visitors, including those from abroad, have a vaccine passport? A lot of them will have one right now given plenty countries are currently using them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheBruce said: If it is needed to protect the NHS and reduce the stats, can't see the problem and this was always about protecting the NHS. We are the collateral damage. The NHS cant cope because it already couldn't cope pre Covid due to mismanagement and under resourcing. It's now worse than before, with no plan to improve it, so something has to give. Fix the NHS and you fix the real problem. NHS telling us that there are again visiting restrictions and we are still in summer. What you think the scenario will be like come winter? Covid is only magnifying a problem that already existed and in all probability more restrictions coming down the pipe come xmas. Politicians and so called exports all sounding the warnings to get our minds used to for what is to come. We might not like it and we'll be left to suck it up. Given its limited application, as people have pointed out, how can the introduction of the vaccine passport be expected to have any significant impact on case numbers? The motivation behind it appears to be a ham fisted effort at pushing the reluctant into being vaccinate as was conceded was the intention with the similar plans in England. The primary problem for the NHS does not appear to be the absolute numbers of Covid patients they are having to treat but, as you say, total under-resourcing. Staffing levels and the conditions they are having to work in, and have had to work in over the last 18 months, are a shit show in some places. Covid has magnified the existing problems of a creaking, overburdened health service but, as responses on this thread have shown, the suggestion of investing to develop the service we need is not too popular if people are going to be hit in their pockets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 I'm no longer a member of the Scottish National Party. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, virginton said: we have got a nation of paranoid malingerers. I don't think you're far out there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, TheBruce said: If it is needed to protect the NHS and reduce the stats, can't see the problem and this was always about protecting the NHS. We are the collateral damage. The NHS cant cope because it already couldn't cope pre Covid due to mismanagement and under resourcing. It's now worse than before, with no plan to improve it, so something has to give. Fix the NHS and you fix the real problem. NHS telling us that there are again visiting restrictions and we are still in summer. What you think the scenario will be like come winter? Covid is only magnifying a problem that already existed and in all probability more restrictions coming down the pipe come xmas. Politicians and so called exports all sounding the warnings to get our minds used to for what is to come. We might not like it and we'll be left to suck it up. There is no evidence that a vaccine passport will do anything whatsoever to 'protect the NHS'. The government has had the summer to make contingency plans for additional ICU space and get GPs up and running instead of hiding behind their phones. It could also start turfing folk out of A and Es for non-essential treatment - still having the 'Accident' in the term A and E being half the trouble. It is not the responsibility of the general public to change behaviour because the country's health system is a complete nick and people are not going to buy into this idea for a crisis largely of the government's own (long and short term) making. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, welshbairn said: A rational person would compare that theoretical risk against the known and very real risks of a bad dose of Covid. For under 30s, that latter risk is very small. And remember, the JVCI changed its vaccine recommendations based on age risk factors and the liklihood of an adverse event occurring after vaccination. Whilst this was in connection with the vaccine that should be given, the JVCI's own data showed that the risk of serious illness in under 30s to be very, very low. Of course that's going to lead to people taking the risk because it's tolerable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Michael W said: For under 30s, that latter risk is very small. And remember, the JVCI changed its vaccine recommendations based on age risk factors and the liklihood of an adverse event occurring after vaccination. Whilst this was in connection with the vaccine that should be given, the JVCI's own data showed that the risk of serious illness in under 30s to be very, very low. Of course that's going to lead to people taking the risk because it's tolerable. And the JVCI is basing their opinion on the average person in that age group who is overweight and unfit. The calculation is different for people who exercise regularly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 40 minutes ago, Left Back said: Taking any medicine carries a risk to the individual, however small. There may be larger unknown risks with these vaccines that will only come to light over time. It does happen occasionally that medicines are approved and later withdrawn when these risks are deemed too great. Approval is not a 100% guarantee any medicine is safe. That’s unfortunately the swaying factor for some people. Wasn't there a stooshie when the vaccines started about young-ish women being worried about vaccination causing blood clots? Didn't someone get a bit narked when it was pointed out that the risks of blood clots for those taking the contraceptive pill were much higher than the risk from vaccination? I'm sure I can remember John Beattie raising it on the Radio news programme one afternoon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 OK...let's wait 50 years to see what transpires. In the meantime...In the meantime let people make their own mind up on the vaccine instead of trying to ban them from events? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Wasn't there a stooshie when the vaccines started about young-ish women being worried about vaccination causing blood clots? Didn't someone get a bit narked when it was pointed out that the risks of blood clots for those taking the contraceptive pill were much higher than the risk from vaccination? I'm sure I can remember John Beattie raising it on the Radio news programme one afternoon. This happened. Media sensationalism is another factor that helped put people off the vaccine. This then gets fuelled by anti-vax nutters on various platforms leading us to where we are today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Imagine videoing your kid upset walking away from school so all your pals on Twitter can email the school. Also imagine being upset at not being able to go to school, kids nowadays eh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 France was about the most anti vax country in Europe. That seems to be changing since they brought in vax certificates. Quote Since the president announced the pass sanitaire at least 7 million French people have been given their first vaccine dose. Currently, 63.5% of the over-12 population has been fully vaccinated and reservations on the central booking system suggest France will have vaccinated 50 million people over the age of 12 with at least one jab by the end of this month. Polls also suggest 60-70% of French support the health pass https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/08/macron-tells-critics-vaccine-passport-will-protect-all-our-freedoms 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: What do you think it might do to you? Blood clots and heart inflammation have been recorded but in very few cases. It becomes a numbers game as you go down the age groups. The chances of covid causing serious harm weighed against the chances of the vaccine causing serious harm. I'm double jabbed because I'm 53 and have a blocked artery. I get the flu vaccine every year as well. For me it's a no brainer. For my 11 year old daughter, I'd be more reticent if the JVCI say that she can have one when she reaches her next birthday. Not saying I wouldn't get her the vaccine but it's not as cut and dried a decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Getting my second dose of Moderna this afternoon and, with the way things have fallen at work so far, it looks like tomorrow afternoon is going to be my busiest point of the week. If the side effects smash me then I'm afraid the good people of Dumbarton and the Vale might have to do without a few pages of their local paper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, Empty It said: 1 hour ago, hk blues said: OK...let's wait 50 years to see what transpires. In the meantime... In the meantime let people make their own mind up on the vaccine instead of trying to ban them from events? Sure, no problem with folk making personal choices, Of course, they come with consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 One for VT - hundreds of thousands of cases of "self-reported long covid" lasting a year or more in the UK -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Sure, no problem with folk making personal choices, Of course, they come with consequences. Making a medical decision shouldn't prevent you from going to the football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Cant wait till the booster program kicks in and the Granny Dangers types are demanding to be kept safe from double jagged scum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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