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30 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

That's an argument, I don't agree as double vaccination doesn't mean immunity or invulnerability and because the case rate is still enormous. But at least it is an argument.

You have been asked this before by another person on this forum and completely ducked the question but here goes again:

What are your personal criteria for removal of restrictions then? Given we were told that double vaccination of priority groups was the key to ending these and this has been successfully completed, what more do you need? Total immunity and invulnerability was never defined as a criteria or selling point of the vaccination programme so nothing at all has changed in that regard and in fact, the vaccine is probably better than most folk predicted as so few are now getting seriously ill and dying.

I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be something very vague to allow the criteria to shift again once it can be interpreted as reached.

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If the post is horrible that's only because the situation is horrible. You might think just making up rules on the hoof because a sad story happened and it made you feel all tingly and sad in your tum-tum is a good idea, i don't.  And I question the motives of pretty much everyone jumping on this story and humping the sad tears out of it like a pubescent cocker spaniel disgracing himself with his favourite blanket. 
It's almost as if this is the only person to have suffered during the pandemic. I've posted before, but I couldn't get to see my sister who spent the majority of last year in the Beatson.
FucKing horrible situation, but I only mentioned it briefly on here, and would never have dreamed of going to the press.
Demand access? And other patients contract the virus - what then?
Knobs on here using misery to score likes on an Internet forum. Ffs. Could maybe use their time more profitably by holding the cűnts in power to account - you know, the ones carrying on as normal while us plebs were denied the love and support of our nearest and dearest at the most painful and emotional times in our lives. The ones who have seen this entire shitshow as an opportunity to profit. The ones using Covid as a convenient excuse to excuse their signal inability to govern. Those cűnts.
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Just now, djchapsticks said:

You have been asked this before by another person on this forum and completely ducked the question but here goes again:

What are your personal criteria for removal of restrictions then? Given we were told that double vaccination of priority groups was the key to ending these and this has been successfully completed, what more do you need? Total immunity and invulnerability was never defined as a criteria or selling point of the vaccination programme so nothing at all has changed in that regard and in fact, the vaccine is probably better than most folk predicted as so few are now getting seriously ill and dying.

So what more is it that folk like you who say 'now is not the time' actually want? I have sneaking suspicion that it will be something very vague to allow the criteria to shift again once it can be interpreted as reached.

Yes I answered this before and said I would like the case rate to be much lower and I think mask wearing, ventilation and social distancing should remain.

It's easy to fall into the "if not now when" hysteria but you should know how much money has been spend on focus grouping that line to push all your little buttons into a panic.

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1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

It's almost as if this is the only person to have suffered during the pandemic. I've posted before, but I couldn't get to see my sister who spent the majority of last year in the Beatson.
FucKing horrible situation, but I only mentioned it briefly on here, and would never have dreamed of going to the press.
Demand access? And other patients contract the virus - what then?
Knobs on here using misery to score likes on an Internet forum. Ffs. Could maybe use their time more profitably by holding the cűnts in power to account - you know, the ones carrying on as normal while us plebs were denied the love and support of our nearest and dearest at the most painful and emotional times in our lives. The ones who have seen this entire shitshow as an opportunity to profit. The ones using Covid as a convenient excuse to excuse their signal inability to govern. Those cűnts.

Is that not exactly who people are complaining about with the posts on this? Certainly is for me. The government that you are speaking about are the ones making these rules.

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2 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Yes I answered this before and said I would like the case rate to be much lower and I think mask wearing, ventilation and social distancing should remain.

It's easy to fall into the "if not now when" hysteria but you should know how much money has been spend on focus grouping that line to push all your little buttons into a panic.

But you haven’t answered the question. Remain for how long? Until case rates hit a certain number? Hospitalisations/deaths hit a certain number? Forever?

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11 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

The quote you posted does not say she visited twice, it says she visited once and they would be "willing to facilitate a plan" for further visits.

This will be my last post on this topic. Anyone defending the government in this situation needs to take a step back and think about what they're saying.

I'm not defending the Government, as I said, I think they're wrong. I just watched the interview on iplayer, and she's obviously upset and I think understandably confused. She arrived on day 0, met her Dad on day 1, will have a test on day 2, result on day three and from what the Government said will see her dad that day, then another test on day 8 and another visit. It's wrong, but we might as well try to get the facts right.

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Just now, williemillersmoustache said:

Yes I answered this before and said I would like the case rate to be much lower and I think mask wearing, ventilation and social distancing should remain.

It's easy to fall into the "if not now when" hysteria but you should know how much money has been spend on focus grouping that line to push all your little buttons into a panic.

Stated without a hint of irony; the most unintentionally hilarious post on the entire thread. 

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1 hour ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

I think it has been adequately answered by a number of other posters.

Interestingly, you advised me to take a step back yesterday for the sake of my mental health, and now you are seeking to drag me back in.  It’s almost as if your concern for me wasn’t genuine. 

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1 minute ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Yes I answered this before and said I would like the case rate to be much lower and I think mask wearing, ventilation and social distancing should remain.

It's easy to fall into the "if not now when" hysteria but you should know how much money has been spend on focus grouping that line to push all your little buttons into a panic.

Bizarre comment to accuse someone of panicking literally a sentence after saying mask wearing and social distancing should remain, presumably without limit of time or criteria given you haven't specified as such.

As for your answer, yeah. As I thought, suitably vague and plenty of wiggle room that you can easily continue to say 'that's still not good enough' indefinitely.

 

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1 minute ago, virginton said:

Stated without a hint of irony; the most unintentionally hilarious post on the entire thread. 

The irony of all the people who appear to have spent the entire pandemic calling other people "Lovejoys" when the pearls have never been clutched so firmly in history this morning.

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2 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Is that not exactly who people are complaining about with the posts on this? Certainly is for me. The government that you are speaking about are the ones making these rules.

By "holding to account" I mean more than spending all day, every day, on here shouting into an echo chamber and red-dotting anyone who doesn't toe the current approved opinion on the day's news. Life is never black and whitwe, and white-knighting this lass who, at best, tried to game the system to see her father quicker* and failed, is just the latest vehicle for the usual crew on here. 

*Which, let's face it, most of us would do in the circumstances, so no judgment there. That it didn't work out is simply a symptom of travel restrictions changing on a daily basis. 

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37 minutes ago, Barney Rubble said:

She was interviewed live on the Nine last night, and confirmed that she visited on day 1 and may be permitted to visit again on day 8 subject to negative test results.

So only one visit so far with a potential second visit to come.

Distressing enough that her father is near death, but it does not bear thinking about what being confined alone in a hotel a few miles away for ten days without direct access to support or comfort must be doing to her spirits in these circumstances.

It's plain wrong on so many grounds.

Im sure she’ll get comfort watching Jason Leitch talk condescendingly about these sorts of cases and take real solace from knowing its just because the government care?

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5 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

The irony of all the people who appear to have spent the entire pandemic calling other people "Lovejoys" when the pearls have never been clutched so firmly in history this morning.

^^^ word salad

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4 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

By "holding to account" I mean more than spending all day, every day, on here shouting into an echo chamber and red-dotting anyone who doesn't toe the current approved opinion on the day's news.

 

What specifically is it that you expect people to do over and above discussing it online and debating the issues? Bear in mind that this government has currently many of the more direct types of protest illegal under covid rules.

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3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

By "holding to account" I mean more than spending all day, every day, on here shouting into an echo chamber and red-dotting anyone who doesn't toe the current approved opinion on the day's news. Life is never black and whitwe, and white-knighting this lass who, at best, tried to game the system to see her father quicker* and failed, is just the latest vehicle for the usual crew on here. 

*Which, let's face it, most of us would do in the circumstances, so no judgment there. That it didn't work out is simply a symptom of travel restrictions changing on a daily basis. 

What do you propose?  Both governments that are making the decisions affecting the majority of posters on this site  have lengthy terms left and are pretty much untouchable in their respective parliaments, all due to issues other than Covid.

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14 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

I think it has been adequately answered by a number of other posters.

Interestingly, you advised me to take a step back yesterday for the sake of my mental health, and now you are seeking to drag me back in.  It’s almost as if your concern for me wasn’t genuine. 

I was interested to see if the latest story had changed your viewpoint and didn’t want to not tag you as I feel that’s cowardly, but fair enough point taken.

10 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

By "holding to account" I mean more than spending all day, every day, on here shouting into an echo chamber and red-dotting anyone who doesn't toe the current approved opinion on the day's news. Life is never black and whitwe, and white-knighting this lass who, at best, tried to game the system to see her father quicker* and failed, is just the latest vehicle for the usual crew on here. 

*Which, let's face it, most of us would do in the circumstances, so no judgment there. That it didn't work out is simply a symptom of travel restrictions changing on a daily basis. 

Hold them to account how? It’s an interesting tale considering every mention of voting for another party, or writing to an MP/MSP on this thread is instantly pounced upon by many with “I’m sure they’ll miss your vote” type comments. Other than rioting in Westminster/Holyrood I’m not sure what you’re hoping for.

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