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15 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Was it not yourself who said last summer was normal because you managed to get in a quick 9 at the pitch and putt?

I did and it was 18 holes at the real Golf course rather than pitch and putt, however I don't see how that ties in with not being permitted to travel abroad for no good reason ?

If there's a risk of variants this year, then there's likely to be a risk of variants next year and the year after that etc, etc so is this us forever ??

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10 minutes ago, ClathyDave said:

I was out for dinner with some friends last night and we were talking about proof of vaccination as we need it for a wedding we're all attending in Kentucky next week,  otherwise you need to wear a mask. They all showed their flimsy little piece of card that a 5 year old could've produced, and they were amazed at my NHS letter that I got before I buggered off over here. It would be incredibly easy to forge theirs

I just read this after your post. It's weird how America is so advanced technologically in some respects and so backward in others, like transport infrastructure and government bureaucracy. 

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2021/05/17/ohio-vaccine-passport-covid19-digital-verify-coronavirus-qr-code

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/04/02/florida-vaccine-passport-ban-executive-order

 

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1 hour ago, Elixir said:

Another big L for the Loser Party.

 

Need to see how this plays for Switzerland. Not in the EU obviously. What is the script with traveling from England to Scotland? As a way round it would I be able to go from Switzerland to England and England to Scotland?

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East Dunbartonshire    149.9 to 133.3 Unreal 24% drop in 2 days

 

Probably the top area for vaccination rollout in Scotland

97.3% on 1st dose and 78.8 on 2nd for vaccinating the over 18's

 

Only around 15,000 people away from completing their vaccination rollout via 2nd jag.

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11 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

I did and it was 18 holes at the real Golf course rather than pitch and putt, however I don't see how that ties in with not being permitted to travel abroad for no good reason ?

If there's a risk of variants this year, then there's likely to be a risk of variants next year and the year after that etc, etc so is this us forever ??

Just seems like you don't give a rat's ass about restrictions till they impact you personally.

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1 minute ago, Ross. said:

Need to see how this plays for Switzerland. Not in the EU obviously. What is the script with traveling from England to Scotland? As a way round it would I be able to go from Switzerland to England and England to Scotland?

If you've got a Swiss Vax passport I think it will be recognised at the same time as the EU one, think it's just technical stuff that's holding it up. And using England as a stopover would remove any problems if Scotland has different rules but I doubt they will. The only difference now is that you have to pay more for tests if you first arrive at a Scottish Airport rather than an English one.

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1 hour ago, superbigal said:

For people who have not been vaccinated, the five most common complaints about the Delta variant, which has become the dominant strain in many countries  are:

  • headache,
  • sore throat,
  • runny nose,
  • fever,
  • a persistent cough.

For those who have received only one dose of a coronavirus vaccine, the most frequent symptoms are:

  • headache,
  • runny nose,
  • sore throat,
  • sneezing,
  • a persistent cough.

Not only has the order changed, but fever (which is one of the most recognisable symptoms) is no longer in the top five, and has been replaced by sneezing.

People who have been fully vaccinated currently report as the most common complaints:

  • headaches,
  • a runny nose,
  • sneezing,
  • sore throat,
  • loss of smell.

Here too, the order has changed. Additionally, not only fever, but also a persistent cough has disappeared from the list. However, loss of smell – which was also a well-known symptom of the original strain of the virus – reappeared.

The findings come from a large-scale study conducted by the King’s College London University in collaboration with health science company ZOE, based on data from more than four million people who use ZOE’s COVID Symptom Study app worldwide.

Hmm

Last Friday I got what I thought was a cold - runny/blocked nose and sneezing constantly, plus feeling a bit worn out. I didn't have a cough or a sore throat, and only really started coughing a bit yesterday, after I'd spent several days not breathing properly. Outside of that and feeling a bit tired which I put down to not sleeping properly in the heat I was fine, and I was at work as normal too on the days I was in. 

I get hayfever but it's been fine this year even in the good weather we've had, so I don't think it was a sudden burst of that. I've had one vaccine and my next is in two weeks. Would anyone recommend getting a covid test in this situation?

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4 minutes ago, Snafu said:

East Dunbartonshire    149.9 to 133.3 Unreal 24% drop in 2 days

 

Probably the top area for vaccination rollout in Scotland

97.3% on 1st dose and 78.8 on 2nd for vaccinating the over 18's

 

Only around 15,000 people away from completing their vaccination rollout via 2nd jag.


I can't imagine any area will be able "complete" their vaccination rollout - even without people choosing not to get it, there will be a small but non-zero number of people who cannot get it for medical reasons. I have no idea how many that is across the country, but there is no way we'll be getting to 100%.

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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

If you've got a Swiss Vax passport I think it will be recognised at the same time as the EU one, think it's just technical stuff that's holding it up. And using England as a stopover would remove any problems if Scotland has different rules but I doubt they will. The only difference now is that you have to pay more for tests if you first arrive at a Scottish Airport rather than an English one.

This was pretty much my expectation. Cheap flight to Manchester and hire a car from there seems the worst case scenario.

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The Governments are already looking to co-operate on the steps towards easing restrictions on traveling in and out of the UK, it can only be a positive.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/announcement-expected-today-over-waiving-quarantine-for-fully-vaccinated-visitors-to-scotland-3326594

Announcement expected today over waiving quarantine for fully-vaccinated visitors to Scotland

Fully-vaccinated visitors to Scotland from the EU and US would not need to quarantine under plans being discussed today between the Scottish and UK governments.

Mr Swinney told BBC Radio Scotland: "We are engaged in discussions with the United Kingdom Government on those very questions and there will be further discussions in the course of today, as I understand it, involving Scottish ministers.

"We are very open to that discussion.

"We've got to take a set of gradual, well-evidence steps in our journey to the relaxation of the Covid restrictions and to enabling people to live lives more closely aligned to what we experienced before Covid.

"So the government in Scotland is engaged in all of those conversations to make sure we take the right steps in the right fashion to make sure that people can get on with their lives, and ministers will be involved in those conversations today."

But a Scottish Government spokesperson sounded a more cautious note.

They said: “We aim to come to a four nations position on international travel restrictions wherever possible.

“However, our current position remains international travel for holidaying purposes remains risky and subject to sudden change.

"We have said before people should think very carefully about travelling – especially so given the prevalence and unpredictable nature of variants of concern.”

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5 minutes ago, craigkillie said:


I can't imagine any area will be able "complete" their vaccination rollout - even without people choosing not to get it, there will be a small but non-zero number of people who cannot get it for medical reasons. I have no idea how many that is across the country, but there is no way we'll be getting to 100%.

My bad, wrong choice of word, I was meaning going as far as possible into matching 2nd vaccinations to the number of 1st vaccinations to that point where they can't go much further, but couldn't think of an appropriate word.

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5 minutes ago, Snafu said:

The Governments are already looking to co-operate on the steps towards easing restrictions on traveling in and out of the UK, it can only be a positive.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/announcement-expected-today-over-waiving-quarantine-for-fully-vaccinated-visitors-to-scotland-3326594

Announcement expected today over waiving quarantine for fully-vaccinated visitors to Scotland

Fully-vaccinated visitors to Scotland from the EU and US would not need to quarantine under plans being discussed today between the Scottish and UK governments.

Mr Swinney told BBC Radio Scotland: "We are engaged in discussions with the United Kingdom Government on those very questions and there will be further discussions in the course of today, as I understand it, involving Scottish ministers.

"We are very open to that discussion.

"We've got to take a set of gradual, well-evidence steps in our journey to the relaxation of the Covid restrictions and to enabling people to live lives more closely aligned to what we experienced before Covid.

"So the government in Scotland is engaged in all of those conversations to make sure we take the right steps in the right fashion to make sure that people can get on with their lives, and ministers will be involved in those conversations today."

But a Scottish Government spokesperson sounded a more cautious note.

They said: “We aim to come to a four nations position on international travel restrictions wherever possible.

“However, our current position remains international travel for holidaying purposes remains risky and subject to sudden change.

"We have said before people should think very carefully about travelling – especially so given the prevalence and unpredictable nature of variants of concern.”

In what way is it risky ?

"variants" are going to be appearing while covid continues so that means indefinitely / forever, so does that mean we can never go abroad ever again ??

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8 minutes ago, Snafu said:

The Governments are already looking to co-operate on the steps towards easing restrictions on traveling in and out of the UK, it can only be a positive.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/announcement-expected-today-over-waiving-quarantine-for-fully-vaccinated-visitors-to-scotland-3326594

Announcement expected today over waiving quarantine for fully-vaccinated visitors to Scotland

Fully-vaccinated visitors to Scotland from the EU and US would not need to quarantine under plans being discussed today between the Scottish and UK governments.

Mr Swinney told BBC Radio Scotland: "We are engaged in discussions with the United Kingdom Government on those very questions and there will be further discussions in the course of today, as I understand it, involving Scottish ministers.

"We are very open to that discussion.

"We've got to take a set of gradual, well-evidence steps in our journey to the relaxation of the Covid restrictions and to enabling people to live lives more closely aligned to what we experienced before Covid.

"So the government in Scotland is engaged in all of those conversations to make sure we take the right steps in the right fashion to make sure that people can get on with their lives, and ministers will be involved in those conversations today."

But a Scottish Government spokesperson sounded a more cautious note.

They said: “We aim to come to a four nations position on international travel restrictions wherever possible.

“However, our current position remains international travel for holidaying purposes remains risky and subject to sudden change.

"We have said before people should think very carefully about travelling – especially so given the prevalence and unpredictable nature of variants of concern.”

Get that tae f**k johnny boy

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26 minutes ago, craigkillie said:


I can't imagine any area will be able "complete" their vaccination rollout - even without people choosing not to get it, there will be a small but non-zero number of people who cannot get it for medical reasons. I have no idea how many that is across the country, but there is no way we'll be getting to 100%.


 

The only contraindications listed for these vaccines are people who have had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine in the past. Similarly, those who had a severe allergic reaction to the first dose are contraindicated for the second dose.

 

 

The idea that there are a significant number of CEV people who are contraindicated for these vaccines is pie in the sky nonsense 

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Could this be the starting point?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57999362

Covid: No quarantine for fully jabbed US and EU travellers to England

People who have been fully vaccinated in the EU or US will not need to isolate when coming to England from an amber list country.

The change will come into force at 04:00 BST on Monday.

Currently, only people who received their jabs in the UK can avoid quarantine when arriving from amber list countries, except France.

The government said the rule change would help to reunite family and friends whose loved ones live abroad.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said it would apply to people who have been fully vaccinated with a jab approved by the EU or US - although travellers would still need to take tests before they arrived and on the second day when they landed.

Extra, tougher rules will continue to be in place for France, which is on the amber list but still requires travellers to quarantine when they return, even if they are fully vaccinated.

As well as reopening to the EU and the US, international cruises will also be allowed to restart from England.

It is not yet known whether other UK nations will adopt the same changes. Earlier, Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said talks on travel were taking place between the four nations.

Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford said Wales would reflect the changes, subject to more information about how approved jabs would be verified.

-continued in link

 

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3 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said:

 

Fair play to New York's homeless population who are now going to be the world's first recipients of 10 jags each.

Anti-vaxers will be complaining on how this discriminates against them.

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