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7 minutes ago, hk blues said:

What do you expect them to do, go all January 6th on Parliament House?

A peaceful protest would be sufficient, no need to take it to extremes. 

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3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

And yet there was an Australian based bloke on here a few weeks ago telling us how wonderful things were and how we were the basket case of the world.

Where is he now when we need him?

Australia, probably. 

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The problem Australia has is, due to their piss poor vaccination rate (13.6% fully done), they dont really have any other option  than sledgehammer measures.

Practically no natural immunity on top of that means the big bad Delta variant would hammer them if they didnt respond.  

I dont really get taking pleasure in their failure to capitalise on controlling the virus in the first half of the pandemic however.

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28 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Australias recent covid performance is much like that 2013 semi final second half against Hibs we've tried so hard to scrub from memories,  they have no excuse for their utterly pish poor vaccine rollout, they are one of the wealthiest countires on earth, are highly urbanised & they didn't even have to bother with the likes of social distancing or stretched medical resources to slow them down.  if anything they should have been one of the first to be fully vaccinated rather than on par with the likes of Mozambique. 

stupid c***s  

Australia had a working home grown vaccine going through final testing at the end of last year, but they found that after being jagged people were giving false positive results to HIV tests, so they scrubbed it. Could be why they were so slow in ordering other brands and why they slagged off AZ to the Aussie public.

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3 minutes ago, Michael W said:

A peaceful protest would be sufficient, no need to take it to extremes. 

When were the new restrictions announced, and would folk have had time to organise anything substantial?

 

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10 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

And yet there was an Australian based bloke on here a few weeks ago telling us how wonderful things were and how we were the basket case of the world.

Where is he now when we need him?

Sitting on his ass in the house

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9 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Got my letter for my second vaccine today, eight weeks to the day of my first. I don't think I've ever been in a mosque before. 

If it's for the one in Glasgow, I have disappointing news. The vaccinations are actually in the community centre next door.

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Labour says ending amber list quarantine now for people vaccinated in US and EU would be 'reckless'

Labour has described the plan to let people who have been fully vaccinated in the US and EU avoid quarantine if arriving from amber list countries, which are expected to be approved by ministers today, as “reckless”. This is what Angela Rayner, the party’s deputy leader, told Sky News this morning when asked about the proposals. She said:

At the moment, everybody wants to go on holiday and get back to normal as quickly as possible, but this is reckless.

We know that the Delta variant came into this country and delayed the lifting of some of the restrictions and caused infections here. We need to make sure that we’ve got proper data-driven analysis, and that we look at an international passport for vaccines.

And we also know that people who have had the vaccine, of course, can still get the virus, so a testing regime is very important and crucial as well.

Rayner also said it was not clear how the vaccine status of people who have been vaccinated in the US would be checked. And she said travellers from abroad could be bringing new variants to the UK.

So therefore we believe that at the moment the government hasn’t done enough to safeguard our borders, and we haven’t got an internationally recognised vaccine passport, which is what the government said they were working towards. So it does feel reckless.

 

Congrats to the Labour Party for contriving to have a worse pandemic than the Government, despite not having responsibility for 100,000+ deaths. A bunch of utterly gormless knickerwetters who shriek 'reckless!!!!1111!!!!' about anything short of a blanket lockdown. 

There is absolutely no credible reason to quarantine anyone who has been fully vaccinated. It is mind-bogglingly stupid to suggest otherwise. 

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My 2nd vaccine is on the 12th of August and will be exactly 10 weeks since my first.  Feels like a lot longer than that already.

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2 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

My 2nd vaccine is on the 12th of August and will be exactly 10 weeks since my first.  Feels like a lot longer than that already.

Are there not drop-in centres near you so you can get it earlier?

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8 minutes ago, virginton said:

Congrats to the Labour Party for contriving to have a worse pandemic than the Government, despite not having responsibility for 100,000+ deaths. A bunch of utterly gormless knickerwetters who shriek 'reckless!!!!1111!!!!' about anything short of a blanket lockdown. 

There is absolutely no credible reason to quarantine anyone who has been fully vaccinated. It is mind-bogglingly stupid to suggest otherwise. 

Jesus. Fucking variants patter again. Can someone also tell thicko Rayner that the testing requirements still apply, even if quarantine does not. 

It's quite simple to ensure only those meeting the vaccine requirements are entered - the airline denies boarding if proof is not provided. Border Force conduct checks and any passengers found to have entered that do not meet the requirements are refused entry and deported on the next available flight to their country of origin. 

Meanwhile, the airline that carried them is fined heavily for carrying passengers that are not entitled to enter the UK. No different to what happens if the airline delivers passengers without the correct visa, really. Airlines can and do deny boarding where passengers do not meet the requirements of travel, so I am comfortable they are capable of policing this too.

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Currently the UK does not even make the list of countries recommended to be allowed into the EU with Vaccinations.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/travel-during-coronavirus-pandemic_en#restrictions-on-travel-from-third-countries-to-the-eu

This list is due to be reviewed tomorrow.  It is reviewed once a fortnight.  The key to getting on the list is (Bolded the important one)

  • the health situation
  • the ability to apply containment measures during travel
  • reciprocity considerations

Individual EU countries are still allowed to make their own decisions, hence why Spain and Portugal allow Uk tourists but the likes of Belgium does not.

Current friendly list of non EU countries.

EU Member States should gradually lift the travel restrictions at the external borders for residents of the following third countries: 

  • Albania
  • Armenia
  • Australia
  • Azerbaijan
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Brunei Darussalam
  • Canada
  • Israel
  • Japan
  • Jordan
  • Lebanon
  • Montenegro
  • New Zealand
  • Qatar
  • Republic of Moldova
  • Republic of North Macedonia
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Serbia
  • Singapore
  • South Korea
  • Ukraine
  • United States of America
  • China, subject to confirmation of reciprocity
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6 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Jesus. Fucking variants patter again. Can someone also tell thicko Rayner that the testing requirements still apply, even if quarantine does not. 

It's quite simple to ensure only those meeting the vaccine requirements are entered - the airline denies boarding if proof is not provided. Border Force conduct checks and any passengers found to have entered that do not meet the requirements are refused entry and deported on the next available flight to their country of origin. 

Meanwhile, the airline that carried them is fined heavily for carrying passengers that are not entitled to enter the UK. No different to what happens if the airline delivers passengers without the correct visa, really. Airlines can and do deny boarding where passengers do not meet the requirements of travel, so I am comfortable they are capable of policing this too.

They've basically sub contracted immigration control to the airlines, who are forced to do it for free. Border Force don't have anyway near the manpower or technology to cope with covid stuff alongside all the new rules post Brexit.

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11 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

My 2nd vaccine is on the 12th of August and will be exactly 10 weeks since my first.  Feels like a lot longer than that already.

Just booked mine for the exact same date. My 8 weeks is up on Monday 2nd, got an appointment through for 10am on the 9th but the first evening I could get anywhere was the 12th.

It seems odd to be to be criticising under under 30s for low take up when we’re not trying to get as many double jabbed as close to 8 weeks as possible.

It seems like the under 40s target being missed has as much to do with appointments not being available as people not being arsed.

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12 hours ago, Elixir said:

Every move forward is a good thing, but any testing requirements for fully vaccinated people simply must be binned. For starters, there won't be any real recovery if inbound tourists have to take any sort of post-arrival test. There also won't be any tangible recovery until the pre-departure test prior to returning to the UK is binned for British travellers either. This is a massive hindrance in terms of confidence and what if you test positive while abroad, then there's the additional cost. It would also make UK residents second-class travelers as the US and most of the EU don't require any pre-departure test if you're fully vaccinated. So they could visit here and return home without that fannying about, yet we would still have to test while abroad prior to returning. A nonsense.

The once thriving Scottish and UK travel/aviation industries are worth far more to our respective economies than some wee weirdo government mates making a short buck, and they need reigned in accordingly.

 

While this is true, there was also acknowledgement that they would simply have to reach a point where they then started falling. They just weren't sure when this would occur.

Being honest, I've no idea of what i'm supposed to do if i want to go on my holidays to Spain in September.

Do I need a test before i leave here ? or is the test to get back in the country which I've got to arrange over there ?

Also, does the testing requirements mean that a 3 day break isn't actually possible ??

I've attempted reading up on this but really none the wiser. 

Can anyone confirm what the current rules and regulations / requirements are when travelling from Scotland to Spain ? and if I do require a test, who provides this and how do I go about it ??

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Just now, PedroMoutinho said:

 

Just booked mine for the exact same date. My 8 weeks is up on Monday 2nd, got an appointment through for 10am on the 9th but the first evening I could get anywhere was the 12th.

It seems odd to be to be criticising under under 30s for low take up when we’re not trying to get as many double jabbed as close to 8 weeks as possible.

It seems like the under 40s target being missed has as much to do with appointments not being available as people not being arsed.

My 8 weeks was up yesterday, got an appointment for Saturday but planning on going to the football on Sunday so just going to a drop in centre tonight or tomorrow.

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1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

They've basically sub contracted immigration control to the airlines, who are forced to do it for free. Border Force don't have anyway near the manpower or technology to cope with covid stuff alongside all the new rules post Brexit.

It's a very successful approach, to he fair. If you're flying to the US, they'll check your ESTA for example before you board. Don't have it and you'll be kicked off the flight as the airline is liable if they carry you and you get denied entry for not having the appropriate documents. 

No question BF can't cope at the moment - they can't, for a number of reasons. 

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Just now, WATTOO said:

Being honest, I've no idea of what i'm supposed to do if i want to go on my holidays to Spain in September.

Do I need a test before i leave here ? or is the test to get back in the country which I've got to arrange over there ?

Also, does the testing requirements mean that a 3 day break isn't actually possible ??

I've attempted reading up on this but really none the wiser. 

Can anyone confirm what the current rules and regulations / requirements are when travelling from Scotland to Spain ? and if I do require a test, who provides this and how do I go about it ??

There's no point in planning anything now, the rules change every week. If it was me I'd book the holiday now making sure the flights and hotel are refundable or at the very least postponeable. When I went via Portugal about a month ago I needed a pre flight PCR, another PCR to go from Portugal to Spain and back, an antigen test before flying back here, PCR test on days 2 and 8 after getting back, and 10 days quarantine, f**k knows why, double jagged on top of all the tests, I was probably the safest person on the planet.

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