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42 minutes ago, Elixir said:

UNETHICAL EXPERIMENT!!!11

 

Meanwhile, the political activist 'independent SAGE' projections that had the likes of wee @TheJTS98 hoodwinked something awful:

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I don’t trawl the ramblings of every government scientist but is there any evidence of any of them predicting case numbers not rising let alone a fall?  I certainly don’t recall the media reporting any of this or anyone (including scientists) even saying this was possible at any government briefing.  All the talk was of doubling times and how it wouldn’t take long for us to be back in the shit.

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35 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Looks like double vaccinated non-UK travellers to the UK will be able to avoid quarantine from next month. Good. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/27/freedom-double-jabbed-uk-opens-world/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_AxhH3yZ4t8dC

Saying this, the yanks can f**k off until they lift the proclamation. 

Every move forward is a good thing, but any testing requirements for fully vaccinated people simply must be binned. For starters, there won't be any real recovery if inbound tourists have to take any sort of post-arrival test. There also won't be any tangible recovery until the pre-departure test prior to returning to the UK is binned for British travellers either. This is a massive hindrance in terms of confidence and what if you test positive while abroad, then there's the additional cost. It would also make UK residents second-class travelers as the US and most of the EU don't require any pre-departure test if you're fully vaccinated. So they could visit here and return home without that fannying about, yet we would still have to test while abroad prior to returning. A nonsense.

The once thriving Scottish and UK travel/aviation industries are worth far more to our respective economies than some wee weirdo government mates making a short buck, and they need reigned in accordingly.

 

2 minutes ago, Left Back said:

I don’t trawl the ramblings of every government scientist but is there any evidence of any of them predicting case numbers not rising let alone a fall?  I certainly don’t recall the media reporting any of this or anyone (including scientists) even saying this was possible at any government briefing.  All the talk was of doubling times and how it wouldn’t take long for us to be back in the shit.

While this is true, there was also acknowledgement that they would simply have to reach a point where they then started falling. They just weren't sure when this would occur.

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2 hours ago, mizfit said:

I don’t listen to the dick now. I can’t remember who it was, but someone on this thread said he was an important person for explaining shite at the start. Now he’s just a damp squib.

I’d be surprised with no winter wave, it’s respiratory so they’d need to plan. Offer boosters to vulnerable and over 50’s as they do with the flu, and maybe reintroduce masks if they’re done away with. Beyond that get any other restrictions in the bin after the 9th.

 

Disregarding the acute stage of the pandemic, although winter is obviously more favourable for respiratory viruses, only some are notoriously bad, i.e. 2017/18, for a multitude of factors. Such is the level of immunity in the population now, there's an equally likely chance that Covid won't be that much of an issue this winter.

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13 hours ago, Elixir said:

UNETHICAL EXPERIMENT!!!11

 

Meanwhile, the political activist 'independent SAGE' projections that had the likes of wee @TheJTS98 hoodwinked something awful:

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I wonder what it will eventually take for people en-masse to actually disregard anything independent SAGE say. 

They have quite literally got nothing correct throughout the entire pandemic and yet a disturbing number of people continue to hang off their every word as if they are fonts of knowledge.

Do people think that they are same organisation as SAGE? Is that the issue? Because from what I've seen, though not perfect, SAGE have been a lot more accurate and reasonable in their modelling whereas independent SAGE are the fucking mental extremists in this entire scenario. Dangerous people who have a proven track record that their 'advice' should be wholly disregarded and mocked.

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1 hour ago, djchapsticks said:

I wonder what it will actually take for people en-masse to actually disregard anything independent SAGE say. 

They have quite literally got nothing correct throughout the entire pandemic and yet a disturbing number of people continue to hang off their every word as if they are fonts of knowledge.

Do people think that they are same organisation as SAGE? Is that the issue? Because from what I've seen, though not perfect, SAGE have been a lot more accurate and reasonable in their modelling whereas independent SAGE are the fucking mental extremists in this entire scenario. Dangerous people who have a proven track record that their 'advice' should be wholly disregarded and mocked.

Independent SAGE are savvy enough to sense a gap in the market to stoke up daft c***s fears in return to clicks, likes and media exposure. Because it’s speaking out against the UK Government it’s seen as palatable, but really they’re no better or more relevant than your average roaster with a loudspeaker standing at the top of Buchanan Street.

Deepti is immunosuppressed so she’s in it for herself, which is fair enough, but she’s doing it under the guise of science which isn’t fair enough.

Also, the argument that you can’t speak out against them because they’re scientists and I’m not is just shite too.

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The PM of the Thaitanic as come out today and said that the pandemic will have peaked within 2 to 3 or maybe 4 weeks, and we will all be back to normal.  This as we have today hit a new high of over 16,000 cases 133 dead, we have only vaxed 5.2% of the population.  He said we would not be back to normal until 70% vaxed, which would be mid October.

My back of fag packet calculation, is that it will be actually 7 YEARS before we get to 70%, as we only vaxed 13,000 folk yesterday.

 

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"Independent" SAGE's entire shtick is that the actual SAGE, which advises the government, is essentially compromised by its government advisory work. In other words, they simply back up what the government tells them to. They are therefore, at least in their own heads, there to provide opposition to the government by forming some sort of shadow governance body. 

The naming was a deliberate attempt to mislead the public, and I have seen a few slippages in the media where they have inadvertently called this group "SAGE". The "Independent" label is nothing other than an insult to actual SAGE in an attempt to discredit them. It's fine that people want to have alternative opinions, but this lots are essentially a pressure group that have been afforded far too much air time. 

For an organisation that is set up to be critical towards the government and its advisory group, iSAGE, or at least some of its members (particularly Gurdasani), are also very sensitive to being criticised. If you're going to dish it out and make all sorts of accusations, you need to take the heat when it comes back at you. 

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9 hours ago, Michael W said:

Looks like double vaccinated non-UK travellers to the UK will be able to avoid quarantine from next month. Good. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/27/freedom-double-jabbed-uk-opens-world/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_AxhH3yZ4t8dC

Saying this, the yanks can f**k off until they lift the proclamation. 

Yeap.

All this means nothing until it's reciprocal. There's absolutely no sign that the USA is going to lift the ban on UK citizens travelling there, and it's such a convoluted mess with EU countries that it's almost not worth travelling anywhere until it gets sorted out. 

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2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

Yeap.

All this means nothing until it's reciprocal. There's absolutely no sign that the USA is going to lift the ban on UK citizens travelling there, and it's such a convoluted mess with EU countries that it's almost not worth travelling anywhere until it gets sorted out. 

The US didn't lift the ban on the Schengen Zone either, which was quite revealing. Clearly, they are not bothered, even for fully vaccinated passengers. 

I get that they want to keep the Delta variant out, but that ship looks to have sailed for them. The only way to stop it is vaccination and they seem to have hit a massive brick wall there. 

It's the testing that puts me off more than anything, tbf. It's just too much hassle and additional cost - perhaps tolerable for a fortnight away somewhere, but short breaks can forget it. The tests will cost more than the flights. 

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1 hour ago, SlipperyP said:

The PM of the Thaitanic as come out today and said that the pandemic will have peaked within 2 to 3 or maybe 4 weeks, and we will all be back to normal.  This as we have today hit a new high of over 16,000 cases 133 dead, we have only vaxed 5.2% of the population.  He said we would not be back to normal until 70% vaxed, which would be mid October.

My back of fag packet calculation, is that it will be actually 7 YEARS before we get to 70%, as we only vaxed 13,000 folk yesterday.

 

The SG likes this.

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2 minutes ago, Michael W said:

The US didn't lift the ban on the Schengen Zone either, which was quite revealing. Clearly, they are not bothered, even for fully vaccinated passengers. 

I get that they want to keep the Delta variant out, but that ship looks to have sailed for them. The only way to stop it is vaccination and they seem to have hit a massive brick wall there. 

It's the testing that puts me off more than anything, tbf. It's just too much hassle and additional cost - perhaps tolerable for a fortnight away somewhere, but short breaks can forget it. The tests will cost more than the flights. 

Exactly. 

The papers can f**k off with this 'UK opens to the world' pish. All we're doing is allowing foreign citizens into and out of the UK. 

The UK itself is still being treated as a pariah state and there's no sign at all that .....outside a few countries desperate for bucks....we'll be allowed to travel anywhere soon. 

So much for summer 2021 being 'back to normal'. 

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22 minutes ago, Michael W said:

It's the testing that puts me off more than anything, tbf. It's just too much hassle and additional cost - perhaps tolerable for a fortnight away somewhere, but short breaks can forget it. The tests will cost more than the flights. 

Hopefully it will ease up soon as our numbers come down, I got away with a single test on a short trip from Portugal to Spain because I was still within 72 hours of taking the test when I got back to Portugal. Annoyingly they changed the rules the same day I took the test so I could have got away with a 30 euro antigen one instead of the 100 euro PCR one I paid for.

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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Hopefully it will ease up soon as our numbers come down, I got away with a single test on a short trip from Portugal to Spain because I was still within 72 hours of taking the test when I got back to Portugal. Annoyingly they changed the rules the same day I took the test so I could have got away with a 30 euro antigen one instead of the 100 euro PCR one I paid for.

I think that’s the main concern for me, the constant changes made. Until there’s a set policy that stays in place for longer than a week, I’d have no confidence that even if when I left the rules were acceptable, that they wouldn’t change it and I’d have to quarantine upon return or spend an extra wad of cash on testing that I hadn’t planned for.

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21 minutes ago, Michael W said:

but short breaks can forget it. The tests will cost more than the flights. 

Only till Cop26 whereafter the price of flights will increase due to taxes intended to combat unsustainable levels of emissions…

Leisure travel soon may not be the ridiculously cheap city break to Barcelona / Rome etc we’ve all gotten so used to in the last 20 or so years.

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18 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

independent SAGE are a creature of the media. Just about every time I see Channel 4 News they have someone on from it. 

And folk need to understand that this, rather than public health, is their MO.

Weren't one of their main folk not proclaiming just about 8 weeks ago how good it was that they had created around 5 or 6 media personalities off the back of the publicity during the pandemic and that they'll continue trying to strive towards this?

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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Hopefully it will ease up soon as our numbers come down, I got away with a single test on a short trip from Portugal to Spain because I was still within 72 hours of taking the test when I got back to Portugal. Annoyingly they changed the rules the same day I took the test so I could have got away with a 30 euro antigen one instead of the 100 euro PCR one I paid for.

The window for this is very small. I've no doubt that the case numbers will fall over the next month, but countries worldwide react very slowly to this...especially as the UK is one of the few countries where the Delta variant is almost 100% prevalent. 

By the time countries react, schools and colleges will be back and we'll be heading towards  autumn and winter. We have enough of the population unvaccinated for cases to begin rising again. 

Yes, hospitalisations and deaths may be a small percentage of what they were, but that's not what the world is judging the UK on. 

It may be that the EU and the USA decide that Real Politik takes precedence over case numbers and allow us back after we've jumped through enough hoops, but there's no sign at all that travel abroad is anywhere close to 'getting back to normal'. 

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8 minutes ago, Abdul_Latif said:

Only till Cop26 whereafter the price of flights will increase due to taxes intended to combat unsustainable levels of emissions…

Leisure travel soon may not be the ridiculously cheap city break to Barcelona / Rome etc we’ve all gotten so used to in the last 20 or so years.

Is Cop26 expected to lead to increased taxes on these things?

 

 

I’m no climate change expert but I’m disappointed by the lack of investment in sustainable alternatives. It seems like there’s a culture war where half of the population want to stick their fingers in the ears and ignore climate change while the other half want a return to a much simpler life where only a very small percentage of people ever travel outside the country of their birth.

 

I want to see them come up with sustainable ways to keep our cheap city break, for example, why not build planes that run on renewable energy? Or what about a high speed bullet train that can get you anywhere in Europe in just a few hours?

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