Dawson Park Boy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: I wish them nothing but success and said zero to suggest otherwise. Bizarre that you managed to assume I didn't. Point is Covid seems to flare up then simmer down randomly from country to country. Denmark doing great now doesn't mean they have "cracked it" (see Israel) it's just they are on a downward trajectory for now. A country will need a year plus of stability before they can be hailed as the model to follow. We expected cases to rise in Scotland but I doubt anyone predicted the numbers we are seeing. Ferguson was roundly pilloried for his 100k prediction for the UK on reopening. Per head we in Scotland might reach those levels if we maintain current growth for another couple of weeks. I wish no country anything but a swift return to normal but constant comparison to a perceived "success" is pointless when every country has huge demographic differences. Anyway off for a day out with an overnighter in Glasgow, best to make the best of things despite my "negativity' Everyone goes on and on about cases. What does it matter? This is now an endemic disease and we’ve just got to live(or die) with it. In the late 60’s we had 80000 deaths due to Spanish flu and nobody bothered much. Hospitals were packed out but that’s what they’re there for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Everyone goes on and on about cases. What does it matter? This is now an endemic disease and we’ve just got to live(or die) with it. In the late 60’s we had 80000 30,000 deaths due to Spanish Hong Kong flu and nobody bothered much. Hospitals were packed out but that’s what they’re there for. FTFY. UK Covid deaths 132,000 and counting, 4.5 million worldwide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, welshbairn said: FTFY. UK Covid deaths 132,000 and counting, 4.5 million worldwide. No The 68/69 flu outbreak had 80000 UK deaths on a much lower population and affected a lower aged cohort. Okay, it was Asian but, so what. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: No The 68/69 flu outbreak had 80000 UK deaths on a much lower population and affected a lower aged cohort. Okay, it was Asian but, so what. I'm reading 30,000, depends where you look. Population was 55 million compared to 66 million, not enough to explain why the hit from Covid is far, far worse, in terms of deaths, hospitalisation and longevity. Quote The subsequent 1968 influenza pandemic—or “Hong Kong flu” or “Mao flu” as some western tabloids dubbed it—would have an even more dramatic impact, killing more than 30 000 individuals in the UK and 100 000 people in the USA https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7247790/ Edited August 28, 2021 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm reading 30,000, depends where you look. Population was 55 million compared to 66 million, not enough to explain why the hit from Covid is far, far worse, in terms of deaths, hospitalisation and longevity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7247790/ Surely the hit from covid is because we have got to a stage where we are keeping folk alive far longer than we were in 68. I believe that the average age of the covid deaths is still not much below the life expectancy figure. Might be wrong. I often am. From a while back. Average age of those who had died with COVID-19 - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk) Edited August 28, 2021 by Suspect Device 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Just now, Suspect Device said: Surely the hit from covid is because we have got to a stage where we are keeping folk alive far longer than we were in 68. I believe that the average age of the covid deaths is still not much below the life expectancy figure. Might be wrong. I often am. Probably true, but if you make it to 80 your life expectancy is about another 10 years, so it's a bit of a bummer if it's cut short by covid, even at that age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Probably true, but if you make it to 80 your life expectancy is about another 10 years, so it's a bit of a bummer if it's cut short by covid, even at that age. Would possibly depend on your quality of life. If i was suffering from dementia, covid would be a sweet release. Obviously not all folk would feel the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 hours ago, scottsdad said: Our son, who is 16, has told us he wants a vaccine. We put no pressure on him - this was triggered by the flu vaccine letter from school. The wife and I always said it was his choice, and now he has made it. Taking him today to a drop in centre. He had a few questions, mostly about how sore it is. Went to a drop in centre. Got pfizered. No problems. As he is 16 and nobody at home is immunocompromised, he only gets the one jag. I wasn't aware this was the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Would possibly depend on your quality of life. If i was suffering from dementia, covid would be a sweet release. Obviously not all folk would feel the same. Even then it sounds like a horrible way to go, struggling to breathe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Even then it sounds like a horrible way to go, struggling to breathe. It's how I plan to go. Hoping for a facesitting accident. Can't think of a better way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, scottsdad said: Went to a drop in centre. Got pfizered. No problems. As he is 16 and nobody at home is immunocompromised, he only gets the one jag. I wasn't aware this was the case. They're waiting for the JCVI to ok the second jag, which is probable, depending on the data coming in from other countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Elder daughter tested positive on lft today so been for pcr. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Elder daughter tested positive on lft today so been for pcr. Same with my youngest son yesterday. He is S4 and apparently had been in close contact with someone at school who had tested positive on Thursday. My son only found out because he heard other pupils talking about it. Waiting on our PCR results and while going for the test last night my son noticed a few other pupils from his school going for tests. So expect positive results to continue to increase.As I work in social care I have been advised I need to self isolate for 10 days even if I test negative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 My son was positive Wednesday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) Daily Cases Update: Day 23 in a row of our 4th wave of infections, case rises up a large 10% to 572.5 Expect another rise of around 5% tomorrow as we crack through the 600 barrier. Still on target for 650-675 cases per 100K. Infectivity now 12.3%. Kirkintilloch now Scotland's most infectious neighbourhood. Scotland now is the number 1 rising infection country in the world up well over 100% in last week. (Of any country having more than 1000 cases per day). Scotland at 572.5 per 100K is number 6 in the world (Any country over 1 million population). Interesting that Israel is surging also at 604.9 Figures for Jags absolutely pathetic. 1st Vaccines 3,401 to 2,615 , 2nd vaccines 14,258 to 11,383 Total Cases Scotland 7 days 19th August to 25th August were 28,430 now 31,295 up 10.11%, Positivity was 11.7% now 12.3%. Cases per 100K were 520.1 now 572.5 Home Nations Daily update : UK Average 349.6 to 353.8 up 1.20%, England 332.0 to 331.2 down 0.24%, Wales 357.5 to 368.4 up 3.05%, Northern Ireland 626.0 to 633.4 up 1.18% In Europe for travellers Ireland 259.7 (Weekly change +6%), Greece 223.3 (Weekly change +5%), France 207.3 (Weekly change -14%), Switzerland 204.1 (weekly change +5%), Albania 162.0 (weekly change up 64%), Portugal 160.4 (Weekly change +1%), These are still the only main countries over 160 cases per 100K Spain falls down to 137.5 Scotland peaks in Wave 3 at 425.1 for 27th June to 3rd July, (UK was 229.9) . Cases that day were 23,222 and positivity 10.8% Scotland previously peaked in wave 2 at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, (UK was 642.1) Cases that day were 16,496 and test positivity rate was 11.9% Council progress in last 24 Hours as follows. Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview West Dunbartonshire 919.2 to 970.1 East Dunbartonshire 846.9 to 964.6 Kirkintilloch West 1,934 North Lanarkshire 771.8 to 902.3 Up 75% in 3 days !! Renfrewshire 710.7 to 801.0 East Renfrewshire 717.3 to 784.9 Inverclyde 648.8 to 783.8 Up 40% in 2 days. South Lanarkshire 692.9 to 764.6 Glasgow City 661.7 to 728.2 Argyll & Bute 652.0 to 700.0 Clackmannanshire 655.1 to 643.4 City Of Edinburgh 573.5 to 616.5 Dumfries & Galloway 636.6 to 604.9 North Ayrshire 501.3 to 554.2 Dundee City 481.8 to 534.9 West Lothian 491.8 to 525.0 Midlothian 425.1 to 515.3 Falkirk 438.5 to 495.8 Stirling 448.6 to 486.8 South Ayrshire 412.0 to 461.9 East Lothian 437.4 to 461.5 Fife 410.6 to 443.4 East Ayrshire 371.7 to 423.5 Scottish Borders 413.1 to 422.6 Highlands 353.4 to 398.8 Angus 279.7 to 320.3 Aberdeen City 270.2 to 309.1 Perth & Kinross 258.0 to 279.1 Aberdeenshire 251.9 to 274.6 Western Isles 147.2 to 162.3 Moray 142.1 to 153.6 Shetland Islands 122.4 to 122.4 Orkney Islands 58.0 to 58.0 Edited August 28, 2021 by superbigal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 It's odd that so many countries around the world made the same catastrophic decision over care homes. Maybe they didn't realise that the worst cases would be nearly exclusively amongst the elderly, so the so called bed blockers should have been left exactly where they were, especially if infected. Even poster child Sweden did the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Apparently clownshoes today on the radio said that ‘we’ might take decision making powers away from councils back to the Government re outdoor and indoor events as they could be safer. Clownshoes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 hours ago, oaksoft said: Seriously? Even for life threatening emergencies? Where are you getting this from? Its not for life threatening emergencies, Ambulance calls get triaged on a clinical basis, but the likes of a heart attack would get an emergency response. Its complicated, but like HSF has said things like waits for someone who’s fallen and broken their hip in an old folks home or a doctor referring in a patient who needed to be taken into hospital. The ambulance service in Scotland are really hard working people, genuinely not a slight on them, just highlights how chronically under funded and staffed the government has left them, our paramedics are genuinely first class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meldrew Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 if they still measured things by the ''R Number'' what would we currently be sitting on ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Meldrew said: if they still measured things by the ''R Number'' what would we currently be sitting on ? I'm guessing that's a lagging measure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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