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One thing I haven't seen is whether TfL is able to fine anyone not wearing a mask.  I haven't seen it referenced, so I assume the answer is no. 

Instead they're going to have 400 staff members turning people away if they're not wearing one. I imagine that'll go well. 

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27 minutes ago, Michael W said:

One thing I haven't seen is whether TfL is able to fine anyone not wearing a mask.  I haven't seen it referenced, so I assume the answer is no. 

Instead they're going to have 400 staff members turning people away if they're not wearing one. I imagine that'll go well. 

When I was down in London for the Scotland game there was about 50% of people not wearing masks on the tubes/trains etc, struggle to see how anything they're saying now will reduce that number.

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One thing I haven't seen is whether TfL is able to fine anyone not wearing a mask.  I haven't seen it referenced, so I assume the answer is no. 
Instead they're going to have 400 staff members turning people away if they're not wearing one. I imagine that'll go well. 
They mentioned it being incorporated into their conditions of carriage so it could become an offence you could be fined for just like pulling the emergency brake or travelling without a ticket. Whether that's feasible remains to be seen.
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1 hour ago, true_rover said:
7 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57829591
Masks until Christmas says Swinney. 

I'm fine with wearing one, but what's so special about December for changing the advice?

Let's not be kidded. They will be worn all the way through to next spring. 

4th wave due in winter according to Bojo's so called experts and watch him do another u turn as he follows Nicola. 

The joys. 

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When I was down in London for the Scotland game there was about 50% of people not wearing masks on the tubes/trains etc, struggle to see how anything they're saying now will reduce that number.
That may have been an outlier caused by pissed up fans as they issued stats yesterday to back up their mandatory policy. It was 86% compliance with over 65% of the 14% not wearing having a legitimate reason.
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11 minutes ago, Scosha said:

When I was down in London for the Scotland game there was about 50% of people not wearing masks on the tubes/trains etc, struggle to see how anything they're saying now will reduce that number.

My experience in London at the weekend was similar. And not just amongst the hoardes of England fans as I was leaving on Sunday afternoon. 

9 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:
40 minutes ago, Michael W said:
One thing I haven't seen is whether TfL is able to fine anyone not wearing a mask.  I haven't seen it referenced, so I assume the answer is no. 
Instead they're going to have 400 staff members turning people away if they're not wearing one. I imagine that'll go well. 

They mentioned it being incorporated into their conditions of carriage so it could become an offence you could be fined for just like pulling the emergency brake or travelling without a ticket. Whether that's feasible remains to be seen.

Yeah, there's probably a way for them there. Easy enough for people to invent an exemption though,since no proof is required. 

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In the last week I've had 3 tests. All negative.

Pre flight LFT on Thursday

Day 2 PCR test on Monday

And I did a random LFT test on Sunday simply because I had it lying about the house.

Yet I'm still officially meant to quarantine until next Tuesday even though I'm double jabbed because I came back from an amber country. The rules change on Monday and that will make all the difference to me. 🤪

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Masks aren't a zero sum game, ie. they work or they don't. It's about how much they reduce the viral load transmitted and whether they're worth the bother.

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This move by Khan is nothing more than political posturing in the Nicola Sturgeon mode.  Doing something different from the Tories to be seen to be different.  Will be a shock if Burnham doesn't follow suit.

He doesn't actually care whether people use the services or not seeing as Tfl have already been handed £4.4bn of taxpayers cash to bail them out and I'd be surprised if there isn't more to come.

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Only 17,449 Vaccines dished out yesterday. Absolutely pathetic. 

Apparently the stocks of each type are now sufficient to literally Vax whoever they want.   Time to get that time cut to get those who want dose 2.  They keep hiding behind 8 weeks being the optimum. It clearly is political as that has always been changed in line with supply.  4 Weeks seems to be good enough for the rest of Europe. Clearly their scientists are 2nd rate.

The fact that 20% of 30-40 year olds have not bothered their arse to get their 1st jab is bewildering.

The young crew 18-29 are already up to 65.9% Vaxxed 1st jab and catching the above group quickly.

To be honest neither group has any real excuse now to not be vaxxed with drop in clinics everywhere.

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4 hours ago, Arabdownunder said:

Apply the precautionary principle and its seems that masks in high risk situations should be worn until either the pandemic is over or the science is definitive.

There is no such thing as a "high risk situation", in a country where the majority of adults and all clinically vulnerable groups who could be vaccinated are vaccinated. 

Any calculation of risk that fails to account for vaccines utterly smashing serious illness and death is an invalid one, right now, in July 2021. 

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Much like Boris Johnson, the history books are not going to be kind to Sadiq Khan when his pandemic management is reviewed. His insistance against London being chucked into Tier 2 in early December ended up with London being the plague pit of Europe. 

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Must report a joyful return to live football last night. So much better than watching live streams on an iPad.

However, sad to say that about 95% of people were wearing masks throughout.

I was sitting beside my son (both unmasked) and was chided by a woman in the row below about us breaking the rules. I retorted that we were father and son to which she pointed to the man  seated 4 seats along from her ‘He’s my husband’!! What can you say about just how brainwashed the public have become.

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If The Caley think I'll be wearing a mask outside sat in the TCS on Saturday they're sadly mistaken.

^ ^ ^ 

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8 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Must report a joyful return to live football last night. So much better than watching live streams on an iPad.

However, sad to say that about 95% of people were wearing masks throughout.

I was sitting beside my son (both unmasked) and was chided by a woman in the row below about us breaking the rules. I retorted that we were father and son to which she pointed to the man  seated 4 seats along from her ‘He’s my husband’!! What can you say about just how brainwashed the public have become.

If I was at the football with my wife I probably wouldn't sit beside her either.

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5 hours ago, Arabdownunder said:

If you accept that the  science is not conclusive (which is a big if, but lets leave that) then there are four scenarios.

1. Masks are worn and it turns out are effective at reducing spread. Congratulations, a cheap and effective public health measure has saved lives however some people have suffered minor inconvenience such as having their specs steam up

2. Masks are worn and it turns out are not effective at reducing spread. Hmm, that didn't work.  Some people have suffered minor inconvenience such as having their specs steam up to no avail

3. Masks are not worn and it turns out are not effective at reducing spread.  That worked out well then, no glasses steamed up.

4. Masks are not worn and it turns out are effective at reducing spread. Whoops. People have died due to the absence of a simple, cheap public health measure. At least nobody's specs got steamed up

Apply the precautionary principle and its seems that masks in high risk situations should be worn until either the pandemic is over or the science is definitive.

^^^

"Masks forever. Cos ya just never know."

This is how brainwashing starts.

Fascinating to watch it happening in real time.

Oh and "high risk"? :lol:

By the way, that stuff about "steamed up glasses"? Have you considered a career on the stage? I haven't seen anyone display that much natural talent for comedy since I heard the one about the Irish ice cream van that melted. You could go right to the top.

Oh my aching sides......

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9 hours ago, pandarilla said:

IAnd in response to oaksoft, yes i understand that there's airborne transmission - but those in-the-know still believe that close contacts are much more likely to catch the virus. Consequently, the droplets issue is still a very real one.

There's not as much as you can do about the airborne element, unless you have complete lockdown for indoor areas. But that's not feasible, so they're trying to do what they can to limit the spread.

In schools it was quite clear that ventilation in rooms was one of the biggest issues. I find it strange that more hasn't been made of that for the general advice.

That's a bit of a cop-out given we're shooting the breeze on a football forum but fair enough.

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17k vaccinations is a disgrace and should be an emptying for our incompetent health minister. 
Read an interesting take albeit from James Melville, yesterday’s cancer deaths are greater than the sum of the last 40 days covid deaths. Dont know if thats England alone hes referring to or the whole of the UK. 

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