Detournement Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said: So when nightclubs lose any financial support because they are allowed to open but can't make any money the Scottish government can just shrug and say it's not their problem. Sturgeon is obviously holding onto restrictions to trade away when she introduces the vaccine passport. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Credit to Sturgeon for her communication strategy though. Spew shite platitudes at the big press conference with no detail then send your bitch Swinney out to take all the flak when the logic defying details are announced. A master at work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 When folk used to say to me 'Ach all the politicians and parties are lying cunts, I don't vote for anyone', the person was usually a Rangers fans who I thought just didn't want to admit they voted Tory. But I now think maybe they were actually spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 If the SG are going to insist on having mitigations in place, I'd rather they allowed hospitality to open fully but with all customers who aren't fully vaccinated having to provide a negative LFT in the previous 24-48 hours. No masks, table service or bans on vertical drinking. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 TRNSMT festival confirmed to go ahead in September - BBC News fuckin have that devi! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said: So when nightclubs lose any financial support because they are allowed to open but can't make any money the Scottish government can just shrug and say it's not their problem. He didn't actually say that about nightclubs, just that there were practical difficulties with mask wearing in clubs and they would be discussing it with the industry today. But he did say standing up drinking by the bar in pubs wouldn't be allowed. Looks to me like the policy is falling apart and there's a big divide of opinion behind the scenes in Government that hadn't been settled when Sturgeon spoke yesterday. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, sparky88 said: You already do. The notices they put up in shops along the lines of 'Masks are necessary at all times. Exemptions may apply' mean you don't actually have to wear one. Noone with any authority in the shop is actually going to challenge you. Most people comply with the law and it's currently a legal requirement to wear a face covering so most people don't have an option not to wear one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He didn't actually say that about nightclubs, just that there were practical difficulties with mask wearing in clubs and they would be discussing it with the industry today. But he did say standing up drinking by the bar in pubs wouldn't be allowed. Looks to me like the policy is falling apart and there's a big divide of opinion behind the scenes in Government that hadn't been settled when Sturgeon spoke yesterday. But we have "moved beyond level 0..." Either we have removed the legal requirement to social distance, or we haven't. An absolute farce. How on earth can you make such a mess of removing restrictions? This is where restrictions for the sake of restrictions gets you. Edited August 4, 2021 by Todd_is_God 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Left Back said: Apply for one of those cards then. Taxpayers money well spent… Indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said: So when nightclubs lose any financial support because they are allowed to open but can't make any money the Scottish government can just shrug and say it's not their problem. good god what an awfy c**t of themselves they have made over this Edited August 4, 2021 by effeffsee_the2nd 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Leitch coming up on the Radio Scotland phone in.Hoping the vertical drinking farce gets an airing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, Donathan said: If the SG are going to insist on having mitigations in place, I'd rather they allowed hospitality to open fully but with all customers who aren't fully vaccinated having to provide a negative LFT in the previous 24-48 hours. No masks, table service or bans on vertical drinking. This is exactly the kind of thinking the Scottish Government are hoping to encourage. Create a problem that doesn't exist so they can fall into line with the rest of Europe on Digital ID. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 They should give venues the power to set their own rules on masks, proof of vax, testing, temperature tests or whatever. There will be a place for everyone. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They should give venues the power to set their own rules on masks, proof of vax, testing, temperature tests or whatever. There will be a place for everyone. Correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Leitch - we still don't know yet. Seriously is he for real. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Elric said: Leitch - we still don't know yet. Seriously is he for real. First question to him. "Why aren't w vaxxing people 24/7". The stupidity of some people never fails to amaze me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Nice to see one of your predictions finally come true after a year of getting things wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Left Back said: Most people comply with the law and it's currently a legal requirement to wear a face covering so most people don't have an option not to wear one. I can only go by the family, friends, and neighbours I know and speak to. To a man, every one of them thinks the mandatory wearing of face coverings in most situations in every day life is stupid. In a big Tesco, an outdoor stadium, to be sitting maskless with a coffee is OK, but if you stand up to walk the twenty feet out the door, you are required to put it on. I haven’t met a family member, friend, or neighbour yet who does not wear one even though they really don’t want to. Not one of them. The reason being they don’t want to draw attention to themselves. They don’t want to be seen as someone who should be wearing a mask but is saying ‘fcuk this’. They don’t want to be the one challenged by a staff member in any shop or premises, and they don’t want other people wearing them to look at them with disdain for ‘waltzing around maskless while we’re wearing ours’. It’s got to the stage where I was out with friends for lunch one day, one of them needed to nip to the loo, got up from the table and maskless, started walking towards the toilets. They got halfway, realised they hadn’t put their mask on, and an otherwise rational and sane human being suddenly shouted out ‘ oh, my mask!’ and ran, genuinely broke into a run, back to the table to grab it before anyone, fellow diner or staff member, had them shot at dawn. It would have been easier just to keep calmly walking to the toilet and come back to the table. No-one would have bothered, no-one from the restaurant would have rugby tackled them to the ground and called the cops - but this is the attitude I’m encountering in a lot of folk. It needs to be made discretionary, not mandatory, Scot Gov can encourage it if they want, with ‘Stick With it Scotland’ messages if they wish. Also, as I said earlier, if it stops becoming mandatory - anyone, absolutely anyone, is free to carry on mask wearing in any situation they wish. No-one would look at them as if they had three heads. Their choice. In any situation. Edited August 4, 2021 by pozbaird 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They should give venues the power to set their own rules on masks, proof of vax, testing, temperature tests or whatever. There will be a place for everyone. No, they should simply remove all restrictions and when those sadly unhinged by the non-stop media fear porn raise their concern, point to the most effective vaccine development and rollout program in history. You either accept that vaccines work - in which case there is not a society-level problem to justify any such measures - or you do not. There is no place for some mealy-mouthed compromise on that point and certainly not one left to the discretion of venue owners. Edited August 4, 2021 by vikingTON 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: No, they should simply remove all restrictions and when those sadly unhinged by the non-stop media fear porn raise their concern, point to the most effective vaccine development and rollout program in history. You either accept that vaccines work in which case there is not a society-level problem, or you do not. There is no place for some mealy-mouthed compromise on that point and certainly not one made up by 'venue owners'. I think his point was that venue owners previously were free to make their own rules and insist on entry requirements of their choosing. If people don't like them, as before they will simply go somewhere else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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