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14 minutes ago, Detournement said:

What's the correct interpretation?

As much as you get a slagging on here, you are correct when you say very few/nobody was dying this time last year, and that was without vaccines. Dont know why people are giving you a hard time for stating that

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4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Lol @ @Detournement jumping in with both feet about the vaccines only for Vallance to leave him looking daft.

Double vaccinated people already make up the majority of Covid deaths in the UK. Obviously that could be hospital acquired Covid but that's the way it's being counted. 

If the virus is being blamed for the deaths of fully vaccinated people in July when we are under restrictions it's pretty obvious that those numbers will increase in the winter. 

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5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Double vaccinated people already make up the majority of Covid deaths in the UK. Obviously that could be hospital acquired Covid but that's the way it's being counted. 

If the virus is being blamed for the deaths of fully vaccinated people in July when we are under restrictions it's pretty obvious that those numbers will increase in the winter. 

I think it's because the vaccine isn't 100% effective, might be completely wide of the mark with that one though. 

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I think it's because the vaccine isn't 100% effective, might be completely wide of the mark with that one though. 
He's peddling the same shite as the anti-vaxxers.

It's a deliberate misinterpretation of statistics to suit their sordid little agenda.

https://fullfact.org/online/1102-vaccine-adr-death/

"A number of posts on Instagram and Facebook have claimed that the Covid-19 vaccine is causing more deaths per day than Covid-19 in the UK.
The image falsely claims that there have been 1,102 “vaccine deaths”. That figure actually relates to how many people died following a Covid-19 vaccine, not necessarily because of it. Considering that 36 million people have had their first dose, that’s how many we would have expected to die from other causes in that time. There is no proof that those deaths were caused by the vaccine.

There have not been 1,102 ‘vaccine deaths’

This is the number of people who had died shortly after vaccination up to 28 April 2021. The Medicines Healthcare products and Regulations Authority (MHRA) says that the “majority of these reports were in much older people or people with underlying illness.” As we’ve said, these deaths are not necessarily linked to the vaccine. Because so many people are being vaccinated, and they are being monitored so closely afterwards, by chance some people will report new illnesses, or will die in the days or weeks after they are vaccinated.

The MHRA says: “A high proportion of people vaccinated early in the vaccination campaign were very elderly, and/or had pre-existing medical conditions. Older age and chronic underlying illnesses make it more likely that coincidental adverse events will occur, especially given the millions of people vaccinated.

“It is therefore important that we carefully review these reports to distinguish possible side effects from illness that would have occurred irrespective of vaccination.”
That said, it’s thought that there may be a possible link between some fatal cases of extremely rare blood clots along with low platelets that have been seen in people getting the AstraZeneca vaccine. This is why people under 40 are being advised to get an alternative.

Back to that figure. As of 28 April, there had been a total of 1,102 Yellow Card reports (which allows anyone to report a health problem they’ve had after receiving a vaccine or taking a medicine to the MHRA) where the patient died “shortly after” vaccination. That was out of a total 34 million who had received a first dose of a Covid vaccine and 14 million who’d had their second in the UK at that time. 
If you divide 1,102 by the number of days since people first started to get vaccinated, on 8 December, it works out as about eight per day. (At the time of writing the most up-to-date figure as of 5 May 2021 was 1,143 deaths, which is still about eight a day.)

The government says that based on data taken from ONS death registrations, “several thousand” deaths are expected to have occurred naturally within a week of receiving the vaccine simply due to the fact many millions of doses have been administered, mostly in the elderly.

This by no means indicates that the vaccine caused these deaths.

The post also shows a screenshot of the government’s coronavirus dashboard, showing that the number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test in the UK was five, and the total was 127,603. The data has slightly updated now, but we can see that between 6 May and 10 May 2021, daily deaths were in the single digits.

This figure (deaths within 28 days of a positive test) could include some people who died for other reasons besides Covid-19, but it also misses people who die of it more than 28 days after first testing positive."

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17 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

As much as you get a slagging on here, you are correct when you say very few/nobody was dying this time last year, and that was without vaccines. Dont know why people are giving you a hard time for stating that

Perfectly normal and expected. The same thing happened during the Spanish flu pandemic.

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13 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Double vaccinated people already make up the majority of Covid deaths in the UK. Obviously that could be hospital acquired Covid but that's the way it's being counted. 

If the virus is being blamed for the deaths of fully vaccinated people in July when we are under restrictions it's pretty obvious that those numbers will increase in the winter. 

This is tragic, desperate stuff. Even when presented with the factual reasoning right in front of you.

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I've thought for a  while that the public health people probably need someone to do their comms for them. Mistakes like that can panic people. 

You can be the best communicator in the world and still make a mistake. Nobody is foolproof.
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8 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Perfectly normal and expected. The same thing happened during the Spanish flu pandemic.

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This is tragic, desperate stuff. Even when presented with the factual reasoning right in front of you.

That's exactly my point. Respiratory Virus Pandemic deaths drop naturally in the summer anyway so there is no way to separate the impact of the vaccine from seasonality.

 

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4 minutes ago, 101 said:

I’ve got my certificate.  Wouldn’t be difficult to forge.  How is your average doorman in England going to know what’s a valid certificate from every country in the world?  Lots of foreign students  in the UK that won’t have been vaxxed by the NHS.  Will they accept something written in chinese claiming someone has had sinovac or whatever its called to allow a chinese student into a nightclub?  Maybe the plan is to just shut foreigners out of everything.

Lots of obvious flaws in this plan.

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3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

That's exactly my point. Respiratory Virus Pandemic deaths drop naturally in the summer anyway so there is no way to separate the impact of the vaccine from seasonality.

I'll give you a moment to look at this again, closely.

This article by Francois Balloux on seasonality should also be noted:

There is every chance Covid won't be much of an issue this winter due to so much immunity in the UK population once this current wave recedes in the coming months. The return of other respiratory viruses, especially influenza, could realistically be more of a concern.

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11 minutes ago, Elixir said:

I'll give you a moment to look at this again, closely.

This article by Francois Balloux on seasonality should also be noted:

There is every chance Covid won't be much of an issue this winter due to so much immunity in the UK population once this current wave recedes in the coming months. The return of other respiratory viruses, especially influenza, could realistically be more of a concern.

There are too many different variables to be comparing the UK to countries in Africa and Russia were the pandemic began much later. 

Balloux seems like the Pangloss of Covid, constant positivity. The fact that his article doesn't mention seasonalality in immune systems which has been discovered by Genome sequencing is strange.

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6 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

If only an entire branch of science existed purely for the purposes of making predictions and estimations from data whilst accounting for the uncertainties associated with that data.

So what are the predictions for Covid deaths with no restrictions in the UK this winter?

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May have already been covered but not scrolling through thousands of posts but what is the Scottish Governments stance on vaccine passports for football stadia and nightclubs? What does everyone reckon it will be?

I see Liberal Democrats for all it's worth have came out against it....

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