Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[PedroMoutinho]

3 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Seems a few people in England aren't happy with all the restrictions being binned all at once.

The UKG are shifting responsibility away from themselves onto companies and individuals on how they want restrictions like SD and mask wearing to continue.

If a private business wants to enforce or advise mask wearing in a private establishment, that’s entirely up to them.

Equally, if an individual wants to wear a mask in a shop, they are perfectly free to do so.

It has nothing to do with ‘shifting responsibility’.  People and businesses can assess their own risk and take their own decisions, as was the norm before March 2020.

[yoda]

19 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

This is just "woke pish" aimed at keeping their knickerwetting customers happy.

Can somebody pick up their auld da. He thinks Waitrose is a Marxist sleeper cell.

[printer]

6 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Get well soon Jacksgrandma.

FTFY 

[101]

Plenty money for essentials and interesting to see consumption only dropped 17% during the Pandemic but they were drinking more valuable wine, so perhaps a higher proof.

 

 

[Michael W]

Maybe the likes of Tesco and John Lewis could issue their staff with proper masks rather than grandstand over something they can't enforce? 

[Thereisalight..]

52 minutes ago, JustOneCornetto said:

1 hour ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Let’s hope this is the peak of hospitalisation & death, as cases certainly apply to be on the way down

Is there any breakdown of age groups for the deaths in last few days which seems quite high after a few weeks of quite low numbers considering the vast majority of older people will be fully vaccinated?

I'd go out on a limb and say the deaths will be in the "older people" category 

[Robin.Hood]

23 minutes ago, 101 said:

Or perhaps it's to stop a walk out of their staff who want, according to unions, to continue mask wearing.

The union dosnt give a f**k . Maybe down south but zero been asked this side of the border. If staff walked out , we be replaced very quickly. So I don't believe that 

[BlueBear]

8 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said:

If a private business wants to enforce or advise mask wearing in a private establishment, that’s entirely up to them.

Equally, if an individual wants to wear a mask in a shop, they are perfectly free to do so.

It has nothing to do with ‘shifting responsibility’.  People and businesses can assess their own risk and take their own decisions, as was the norm before March 2020.

It's everything to do with shifting responsibility as his MO has shown throughout the is train wreck of his making. 

Businesses can assess their own risks as required by law, Covid or no Covid. As for people in business premises, they must follow any restrictions laid down by the business as required by law. 

[101]

1 minute ago, Robin.Hood said:

The union dosnt give a f**k . Maybe down south but zero been asked this side of the border. If staff walked out , we be replaced very quickly. So I don't believe that 

I meant on strike rather than give up their jobs.

Disappointing to hear that, looks like down south that have done some attitude surveys for shop workers the main article was the union for staff working in the Palace of Westminster but had other stuff tagged on.

 

[Robin.Hood]

1 minute ago, 101 said:

I meant on strike rather than give up their jobs.

Disappointing to hear that, looks like down south that have done some attitude surveys for shop workers the main article was the union for staff working in the Palace of Westminster but had other stuff tagged on.

 

I have mentioned on other threads before about how shite usdaw is. Anyway zero from me. Pretty much knew things wouldn't change much. Social distancing will in our shops ( more or less has anyway) but masks will remain. It is what it is 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Can somebody pick up their auld da. He thinks Waitrose is a Marxist sleeper cell.

It's stupid that businesses are the ones having to make these decisions - the government are just passing the buck.

Either say we have masks in certain settings or not - the UK government need to stop abrobagating their responsibilities for populist headlines.

[BlueBear]

48 minutes ago, Snafu said:

 

Yeah, we're all doomed, ...................again.

 

Not even finished July and the touch paper has been lit.

 

Has anyone worked out  yet that maybe fixing what is broken (NHS) might be a big help?

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1802

Winter pressure: RSV, flu, and covid-19 could push NHS to breaking point, report warns

Outbreaks of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) this coming autumn and flu in the winter could be around twice the magnitude of a normal year and may overlap with another peak in covid-19 infections, the Academy of Medical Sciences has warned.1

The academy formed an advisory group including 29 leading experts and 57 members of the public at the request of the UK’s chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, to forecast the greatest risks to health this winter and beyond.

The group’s modelling predicts a peak of covid-19 infections in summer 2021. It shows that although the timing and magnitude of the peak are uncertain and mortality may be less severe than last winter, the rise in infections will put pressure on the health service and lead to an increase in long covid. Additionally, more infections increase the possibility of new and more dangerous variants.

On top of this, the group highlighted that recent easing of restrictions had led to a summer surge of infections typically seen in the winter, such as RSV, bronchiolitis, parainfluenza, and rhinovirus.

In Australia and South Africa, RSV—a major cause of hospital admission and mortality in young children—has been on the rise after lockdown periods that had few RSV cases. Modelling data from the US have also shown that the loss of population immunity to RSV among young children could create a larger susceptible population that is potentially likely to have a larger outbreak this winter, the report said.

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The NHS IS broken as pre Covid, but it will not be fixed. 

Bigger plans for NHS England than that!

[Dawson Park Boy]

19 minutes ago, PedroMoutinho said:

If a private business wants to enforce or advise mask wearing in a private establishment, that’s entirely up to them.

Equally, if an individual wants to wear a mask in a shop, they are perfectly free to do so.

It has nothing to do with ‘shifting responsibility’.  People and businesses can assess their own risk and take their own decisions, as was the norm before March 2020.

In fact this is going to be very interesting as, if customers dislike muzzling, then they are free to take their custom elsewhere.

Thats how a market works.

[Elixir]

51 minutes ago, Snafu said:

 

Yeah, we're all doomed, ...................again.

 

Not even finished July and the touch paper has been lit.

 

Has anyone worked out  yet that maybe fixing what is broken (NHS) might be a big help?

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1802

Winter pressure: RSV, flu, and covid-19 could push NHS to breaking point, report warns

Outbreaks of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) this coming autumn and flu in the winter could be around twice the magnitude of a normal year and may overlap with another peak in covid-19 infections, the Academy of Medical Sciences has warned.1

The academy formed an advisory group including 29 leading experts and 57 members of the public at the request of the UK’s chief scientific adviser, Patrick Vallance, to forecast the greatest risks to health this winter and beyond.

The group’s modelling predicts a peak of covid-19 infections in summer 2021. It shows that although the timing and magnitude of the peak are uncertain and mortality may be less severe than last winter, the rise in infections will put pressure on the health service and lead to an increase in long covid. Additionally, more infections increase the possibility of new and more dangerous variants.

On top of this, the group highlighted that recent easing of restrictions had led to a summer surge of infections typically seen in the winter, such as RSV, bronchiolitis, parainfluenza, and rhinovirus.

In Australia and South Africa, RSV—a major cause of hospital admission and mortality in young children—has been on the rise after lockdown periods that had few RSV cases. Modelling data from the US have also shown that the loss of population immunity to RSV among young children could create a larger susceptible population that is potentially likely to have a larger outbreak this winter, the report said.

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Another reason why blanket lockdowns are an absolutely shocking 'intervention' rather than a long-term, holistic mitigation approach like Sweden. I highly doubt their health service will be as pressured with the return of other respiratory viruses.

[craigkillie]

I had to show proof of a yellow fever vaccine to get into Ghana last year, how is this any different?

[Benjamin_Nevis]

3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

I had to show proof of a yellow fever vaccine to get into Ghana last year, how is this any different?

It depends. Are you a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing mess or not? 

[BlueBear]

Make vax passports a thing and keep the yahoo's from leaving this backward island. Better still, intern the fuckers. They just don't get out much. 

Ah but a need ma holiday in (whatever shitehole), get tanked up and drugged up and batter a few foreign c***s, right?! 

[Elixir]

4 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Vaccine passports in the bin.  @Detournement

Proof of Covid vaccination should not be required for international travel, says WHO

The World Health Organization’s emergency committee has maintained its stance that proof of Covid-19 vaccination should not be required for international travel, amid controversy over countries blocking the entry of travellers if they are unvaccinated.

The independent experts said vaccinations should not be the only condition to permit international travel, given limited global access and inequitable distribution of Covid-19 vaccines, Reuters reports.

The experts had previously said that requiring proof of vaccination deepens inequities and promotes unequal freedom of movement. Poorer countries with less access to vaccinations could face exclusion if such measures are put into place, some health experts have said.

A quick glance at the UK's 'red list' has always shown what a disgrace the policy is. It's not racism or discrimination if the excuse is public health - apparently! And of course, it is so-called 'progressives' who are among the most complicit in this.

But yes, proof of vaccination as a means to international travel should be binned off as soon as Covid blends into the background with all other respiratory infections around the world.

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, MP_MFC said:

Definitely now at the point where people need to be dragged kicking and screaming for their first doses tbh and if the threat of no holidays and vaccine passports are required then so be it IMO.

Required for what? There is no actual need for 18-30 year olds - or indeed children - to be vaccinated en masse against a disease that amounts to a bad case of the sniffles, if they're even symptomatic at all. The zero Covid fantasy of vaccinating everyone and magically wiping it out is just that right now: a fantasy. 

There is no need for vaccine uptake to increase among 18-30 year olds for the UK to file every single one of the existing restrictions in the bin. Those who are at any significant risk have the best possible protection already. 

[Elixir]

5 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

I had to show proof of a yellow fever vaccine to get into Ghana last year, how is this any different?

 

1 minute ago, Day of the Lords said:

It depends. Are you a paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing mess or not? 

 

I  believe the yellow fever vaccine provides sterilising, life-long immunity, and it is technically readily available when needed before travel.

The Covid vaccines differ, are not currently readily available worldwide, and as effective as they are do not provide sterilising and/or life-long immunity.