Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Sergeant Wilson]

Just now, Honest_Man#1 said:

This is the classic old guy view, barely want any contact and raging when someone tackles them. That being said, I agree in principle that it’s annoying if someone is just a useless chopper who is constantly hacking at your legs without getting near the ball.

Maybe you're a approaching that age bracket. (I'VE GOT MY WORK IN THE MORNING YA EEJIT!)

I'm inbetween, I don't go expecting to be kicked but realise realise I'm slow enough that it's inevitable I'll get tackled and clumsy enough to mistime mine. I just don't understand making a virtue out of it.

[Thereisalight..]

6 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

I dont necessarily think its fair to suggest what’s quoted there makes him a ‘weirdo’ hes overly cautious because his focus is infectious diseases and I genuinely think there will be a need for testing etc for the next wee while, he’s not talking about shutting down travel etc there, its imo as close to a realist position as you are going to get from someone on the science side of things. I dont agree that domestic vaccine passports are necessary if we maintain 90% odd of the population taking up vaccine offers, from a purely economic standpoint is that even worthwhile (unless there’s a tory donor who can profit off this??). But internationally i think its reasonable so long as there is testing for people who medically cannot be vaccinated. Especially for travel to countries with a slower vaccination rate. 

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

[Billy Jean King]

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

Of course we need to monitor strains for years to come as at some stage vaccines will need to be tweaked to cater for any mutations. As for passports, I presume you class the UKG as "weirdos" given that's who's floated the idea ?

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

[vikingTON]

54 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I know this is digressing, but why is that your view? 5s is about skill, speed and touch, among other things. I certainly don't support the non-contact view, but there's nothing worse than some idiot charging about in studs either too stupid or clumsy to co-ordinate a tackle.

Speed, skill and touch are completely irrelevant if you remove any semblance of tackling. You seem to have confused it for a game of passy-shoot. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by vikingTON

[Thereisalight..]

3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Of course we need to monitor strains for years to come as at some stage vaccines will need to be tweaked to cater for any mutations. As for passports, I presume you class the UKG as "weirdos" given that's who's floated the idea ?

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

Passports domestically are a creepy idea, so yes I’d call the UKG weirdos for suggesting it 

vaccines are doing their job so there is no need to accept anything less than the way things were pre March 2019. Of course it would be forever, they wouldn’t go to all the expense for something that was going to be for a month or two. We’ve compromised enough over the last year, I don’t think we should compromise any more once the elderly/vulnerable are vaccinated twice 

[vikingTON]

18 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

Why does there have to 'be compromise' when vulnerable groups are protected to the greatest extent possible by a fucking battery of different vaccines? What is the actual fucking purpose of this 'compromise'? 

If you follow this line of argument then it will actually be 'forever' - because it is unlikely that society will be any more protected in the future than this summer. If you accept the variant pish now then you are signing up to more variant pish indefinitely. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by vikingTON

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

27 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

Well we are alert about trends and mutations in flu as they inform the vaccination program so he’s right that we will need to do the same with covid, because each year with an ageing population more people will fall into the realms of being clinically vulnerable to covid. Its not a get a vaccine once and that’s it type thing, it will be recurring (in the vulnerable groups only imo) forever now along with flu vaccines. 
Continuing to monitor the virus will also let us be better prepared for any new epidemics etc too. Very little of this will actually impact your life, but it will dominate the scientific world and given thats the standpoint he is speaking from its genuinely not an outrageous position. 
If you ask a subject matter specialist an opinion on something that falls into their remit they will offer the most direct solution to the problem faced without taking into account other variables, which is exactly whats happening here, he’s working from an ideal scenario, some of which will happen, some wont due to pressures from outside the domain of science/competing demands. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Just now, virginton said:

Why does there have to 'be compromise' when vulnerable groups are protected to the greatest extent possible by a fucking battery of different vaccines? What is the actual fucking purpose of this 'compromise'? 

If you follow this line argument then it will actually be 'forever' - because it is unlikely that society will be any more protected in the future than this summer. If you accept the variant pish now then you are signing up to more variant pish indefinitely. 

I do agree we wont see continued uptake of the vaccines at this level after restrictions are fully released so this summer is basically as good as we will get it. 

[The Moonster]

30 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

The part where he says we need to be alert to covid for years to come is a bit weird. Vaccines are doing their job as shown by the falling death and ICU numbers. Why should we need to care about it for "years" or test people for the foreseeable? That and the domestic vaccine passport nonsense. Edinburgh Uni sure have the ones for the watching 

We still keep an eye or two on the flu, I'm not sure why we wouldn't do the same for this virus. Testing will eventually disappear but I don't think it's unreasonable to test people who show symptoms for the foreseeable future if it helps us control it. "Being alert" to covid doesn't necessarily mean you are living under restrictions. He mentions social distancing but I really don't see that lasting in the long term. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 minutes ago, virginton said:

Speed, skill and touch are completely irrelevant if you remove any semblance of tackling. You seem to have confused it for a game of passy-shoot. 

I never suggested removing it, it's integral, but I don't think having "lumps kicked" in either direction is that much fun. As @Honest_Man#1pointed out, I'm liable to take exception, probably by moaning louder than usual.

[Elixir]

'Brisbane to enter third lockdown over seven cases': https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56559755

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19 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Of course we need to monitor strains for years to come as at some stage vaccines will need to be tweaked to cater for any mutations. As for passports, I presume you class the UKG as "weirdos" given that's who's floated the idea ?

I think you need to accept that things in the near future at least are not going back to how they were. Pretty much most folk would accept a period of the stuff you clearly are not willing to accept at all if it means getting life back to a much more tolerable level. It won't be forever and the article you quoted did make that caveat. There is clearly going to have to be compromise.

It's hardly news that they will see what Coronavirus' are in circulation there will be thousands of people across the world looking at what virus and flu is kicking about.

What the media outlets now have to do is not raise their reporting of X or Y unless it's deemed to be a risk and by a risk something that would have been identified as a risk pre Covid-19. I fear this may be beyond the media who trot out every couple of months; HELLISH HEATWAVE/ MINI ICEAGE/ FEROCIOUS FLOODING.

[Elixir]

'Covid jab: One dose in care homes gives 'substantial' protection': https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56540729

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Around 11% of care home residents in the study had already been infected with coronavirus in the past.

A single dose of either vaccine appeared to have little impact on that group, indicating those with a previous infection were already well-protected.

I wonder if Devi and fake SAGE types are still pretending that the immune response from natural infection doesn't exist, as if it were some super-dooper, extraterrestrial virus that somehow wouldn't be effortlessly papped away by the immune systems of recovered individuals if reexposed.

Edited March 29, 2021 by Elixir

[Gaz]

1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I know this is digressing, but why is that your view? 5s is about skill, speed and touch, among other things. I certainly don't support the non-contact view, but there's nothing worse than some idiot charging about in studs either too stupid or clumsy to co-ordinate a tackle.

I'm exaggerating when I say that booting lumps out of each other is 90% of the fun, but my mates and I are all pretty big folk who can dish it out and take it. It's always done with a good laugh and never any malice. None of us are what you'd describe as charging around in studs. I don't think any of us actually wear studs now that I come to think about it.

I just don't see the point in playing fives where you can't tackle or challenge for the ball. What's the point of having a good touch if no-one's coming near you?

[GiGi]

13 hours ago, Gaz said:

That's just taking the piss. They'll get their arses felt if it's let on that's what they're doing.

That is very much against the non contact rules. Straight red.

[Sergeant Wilson]

7 minutes ago, Gaz said:

I'm exaggerating when I say that booting lumps out of each other is 90% of the fun, but my mates and I are all pretty big folk who can dish it out and take it. It's always done with a good laugh and never any malice. None of us are what you'd describe as charging around in studs. I don't think any of us actually wear studs now that I come to think about it.

I just don't see the point in playing fives where you can't tackle or challenge for the ball. What's the point of having a good touch if no-one's coming near you?

They will be, that's why you need it.

[GiGi]

The notion of no tackling at 5s is just very stupid and would not adhered to in any games in practice.

The very first loose first touch or 2 players running for the ball will see to that, unless you think both players will pull out and say "after you, sir" "no no, I insist" etc. If 5s is allowed to be played then people will just play 5s.

[ClathyDave]

• 352 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 12,456 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 3.2% of these were positive
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)   
• 22 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 259 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 2,409,826 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 326,263 have received their second dose

[madwullie]

Considering us and Israel are a small bright speck on an ongoing and worsening global shitshow, its not really that unreasonable for scientists to suggest we'll need to keep an eye on covid for a while yet imo. I certainly wouldn't brand them weirdos for doing so. 

Edited March 29, 2021 by madwullie

[effeffsee_the2nd]

4 minutes ago, ClathyDave said:

• 352 new cases of COVID-19 reported
• 12,456 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results – 3.2% of these were positive
• 0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive (noting that Register Offices are now generally closed at weekends)   
• 22 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 259 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19
• 2,409,826 people have received the first dose of the Covid vaccination and 326,263 have received their second dose

only 5 less in hospital and no change to ICU, only a wee rolly today lads, save the cigars

Edited March 29, 2021 by effeffsee_the2nd