Jim McLean's Ghost Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: My niece turns 1 in less than a month, they live about 400yds from my house and ive been legally allowed to visit them for less than a third of her life. My wee boy is 2 almost 3, hasnt had the chance to go out and go to the soft play and football classes he absolutely loved which help with not only his socialisation skills but even just the life experiences and introduction to sports etc. He asked for a birthday party, doesnt want presents, wants a wee party for his friends with his grandparents there (my wifes parents have seen him twice since December), yet he cant have that. Wife’s knocked her pan in with work, taking on extra days for vaccine clinics and we’ve had no support from the government yet in Devi’s eyes this hasnt been harsh enough? Shes stressed out her nut and cant even go a swim or whatever to unwind. What does Devi want to do? Lock every c**t in a fucking cage? Make your own sunshine in a 6x4 cell Devi? You know I get that she is obviously a book smart intelligent person but thats certainly not the same for her emotional intelligence and self awareness. Or if there had been stricter rules and people actually followed them we could be well out of lockdown like they are in Australia. For example not increasing statuary sick pay which only encourages people to not self isolate and avoid testing for fear of not having enough money to live on has been one of the most catastrophic failures in the whole pandemic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 On school reopening and R 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 The real villains of the piece are the media, in fairness all these people are just doing their jobs, however the media are the ones who are constantly twisting, insinuating and spinning so as to make big stories and headlines. The reality will be that the Economy will win the day once the vaccine roll out is complete and the covid hospitalisations gave been virtually nullified. (Well here's hoping anyway). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllSaint Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, s_dog said: If you ignore the headline in the tweet, it's not all bad from Sridhar. Another example of the tin foil hat brigade failing to read past a click bait headline and losing the run of themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 minute ago, AllSaint said: Another example of the tin foil hat brigade failing to read past a click bait headline and losing the run of themselves. "Last time the level system wasn’t strong enough- wasn’t strict enough - to really get the numbers down." There's the direct quote. Fwiw, I agree with Marshy's point. We turned a blind eye to things that would've had an impact, but introduced trivial changes that made life more unpleasant - but will have had no notable impact on the R number. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, s_dog said: If you ignore the headline in the tweet, it's not all bad from Sridhar. expect this time we can vaccinate a large percentage of the population and therefore have a more sustainable exit than we did last summer. That's just a statement of the fucking obvious. Edited March 7, 2021 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said: "Last time the level system wasn’t strong enough- wasn’t strict enough - to really get the numbers down." There's the direct quote. Fwiw, I agree with Marshy's point. We turned a blind eye to things that would've had an impact, but introduced trivial changes that made life more unpleasant - but will have had no notable impact on the R number. So basically she’s saying the government fucked it. Tbh I’ve been waiting for this to be raised ever since the publication of the new levels criteria. Surprised it’s taken as long as it has. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 How are we supposed to take any notice of modellers when they produce guff like this? Igoring the vaccine for a minute, how can they look at the data from last Spring and Summer, and think this is plausible? Consider the vaccine and they just look ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Quote A 61-year-old woman has been issued with a £10,000 fine for organising a protest in Manchester against the proposed 1% pay rise for nurses and other NHS staff members. Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the demonstration breached Covid-19 rules on public gatherings, PA reports. A 61yr old nurse was detained by police at todays protest against the proposed Governments 1% payrise., Manchester, UK A 65-year-old woman also arrested at the protest at midday on Sunday after refusing to leave the gathering and not providing her details when asked. She was then de-arrested after giving her details to police and received a £200 fine. The protest follows anger from unions and Labour at the proposed wage increase, with the Royal College of Nursing preparing for strike action. An analysis by the TUC has found that under the proposed 1% rise, affected NHS workers could effectively take home less pay than in 2010. Superintendent Caroline Hemingway, of GMP, said: “With the positive step of schools reopening tomorrow, it is vital that people continue to follow government legislation on social distancing and avoid gathering illegally in large numbers. “Regardless of one’s sympathies for a protest’s cause, we would ask the public to maintain social distancing and follow legislation to prevent a rise in infections and provide the best possible chance of a further easing of restrictions in the weeks to come. “We sought to engage with and peaceably disperse those attending this afternoon’s protest, explaining that the gathering was in contravention of government lockdown rules. “Unfortunately officers were met with a degree of non-compliance and it was therefore necessary to issue fixed penalty notices.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/07/coronavirus-live-news-auckland-finishes-week-of-lockdown-england-prepares-to-reopen-schools The absolute state of this, after Glasgow polis' 'ach there's nothing we can do about a bunch of bigoted morons jumping around because of a football game' policy yesterday. Note the schools and promises of looser restrictions tomorrow being weaponised by this clown as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, virginton said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/07/coronavirus-live-news-auckland-finishes-week-of-lockdown-england-prepares-to-reopen-schools The absolute state of this, after Glasgow polis' 'ach there's nothing we can do about a bunch of bigoted morons jumping around because of a football game' policy yesterday. Note the schools and promises of looser restrictions tomorrow being weaponised by this clown as well. Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, 101 said: Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. At least we'll not need to worry about getting out any time soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, 101 said: Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. Kettled for not socially distancing. That's clever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) The key difference between the NHS protest and the hundred or whatever numbers of half-wits from Ibrox is: "Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said around 40 people had gathered "in contravention of current lockdown legislation"." Plus the fact that the eejits in both sides of the Old Firm would happily start a riot and the police know that. It's still a complete joke this is happening though. NHS pay row: Organiser of protest in Manchester given £10,000 fine by police Edited March 7, 2021 by s_dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, 101 said: Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. Thats not even remotely accurate. Black Lives Matter protest was absolutely facilitated in Glasgow with thousands in attendance. Edited March 7, 2021 by Inanimate Carbon Rod 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 06/03/2021 at 14:23, Todd_is_God said: Given the now domimant strain originated in England, you must surely see the fallacy in proclaiming that banning foreign travel is the big lesson to learn from summer 2020. Blanket border closures / travel bans are not the way forward. An extensive roll out of the incredibly effective vaccine is. Yep I agree the vaccine roll-out getting completed asap is the best way forward. It's not in any way definite it's going to be the complete solution though, at least not early on, while for example the rest of Europe is well behind on vaccines. The only definite fallacy is doing the same thing as last summer and expecting a completely different outcome, just because of the vaccine. Most of us have high hopes that will in a few months time that won't be true, and just because of the vaccine, we can start to live as normal again. Time will tell. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Thats not even remotely accurate. Black Lives Matter protest was absolutely facilitated in Glasgow with thousands in attendance. https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18531056.watch-police-kettle-group-hundreds-turn-george-square-protest/ Not the same scale but look at the police presence. Was it the same at Ibrox yesterday I have luckily not seen a huge amount beyond Gerard's car going through the crowd. But you have to ask why police horses weren't used to make the gap bigger and contain the crowd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, s_dog said: Yep I agree the vaccine roll-out getting completed asap is the best way forward. It's not in any way definite it's going to be the complete solution though, at least not early on, while for example the rest of Europe is well behind on vaccines. The only definite fallacy is doing the same thing as last summer and expecting a completely different outcome, just because of the vaccine. Most of us have high hopes that will in a few months time that won't be true, and just because of the vaccine, we can start to live as normal again. Time will tell. Why should we not expect the vaccine to absolute cigar covid into, at worst, the same category as seasonal flu come Autumn / Winter? Every study to date has shown them to perform incredibly well. Dare I say even better than could have been hoped for. Please excuse me whilst I file this "we just don't know!" nonsense in the bin where it belongs. Edited March 7, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, s_dog said: Yep I agree the vaccine roll-out getting completed asap is the best way forward. It's not in any way definite it's going to be the complete solution though, at least not early on, while for example the rest of Europe is well behind on vaccines. The only definite fallacy is doing the same thing as last summer and expecting a completely different outcome, just because of the vaccine. Most of us have high hopes that will in a few months time that won't be true, and just because of the vaccine, we can start to live as normal again. Time will tell. If lockdown was released in exactly the same way as it was last summer we wouldn’t be doing the same thing, and we would have a different outcome. Both because of the vaccine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: We'll see. Foreign travel might still be curtailed a bit, but I can't see the rest of it beyond the summer to be honest. I hope you're right. I, and am sure everyone else, am totally scunnered with this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) Devi talking about the lockdown not being strict enough is just more deflecting away from the fact that the primary problems were in care homes and hospitals. Both governments seem keen not to talk about transmission in these settings in case the public get the idea into their heads that anyone should be held responsible for all the deaths there. We'll hear Sturgeon and her outriders bang on about house parties and celebrations but I haven't heard a peep from her about 60% of severe cases being contracted in hospital. Edited March 7, 2021 by Detournement 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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