Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[madwullie]

Contactless limit to be increased to 100 sheets this year, accelerated due to the pandemic apparently. Cashless society here we come. 

[Detournement]

41 minutes ago, G51 said:

There's no justification for a vaccine passport when the uptake is 90%+.

It's going to be lower when you get down to age groups that are not badly impacted by the virus. 

 

[madwullie]

26 minutes ago, G51 said:

I'd hope we'd see widespread boycotts of a vaccine passport.

Governments in Westminster and Holyrood need to know that emergency powers are just that - they're for emergencies. Once 90%+ of the country is vaccinated, the emergency is no longer present, so the powers should be discarded immediately.

While I agree with the sentiment, gettinh the vast majority of codgers and vulnerable people who could die if they catch a dose getting jagged is easier to do than persuading far younger people who are likely to get a pretty mild dose who are also more likely to be vaccine sceptic. 

I guess the point is, 90% uptake with codgers doesn't necessarily translate to similar with the younger cohort. 

In our favour, most data I've seen shows that people here are by far the most likely to get jagged. 

Was reading an interesting model the other day (I think @ICT_Chris linked to it), and literally a percentage point could make the difference between hitting herd immunity and not (I know that's obvious if you think about it, but it was pretty stark seeing the models, and how much difference a few thousand people could make) 

[madwullie]

21 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Bollox scenario number 15 in the series.

Imagine the reaction if the SG decide that any supporter entering football ground must show or scan their vaccine passport.

 

 

I suspect this decision will be driven by WM 

Edited March 3, 2021 by madwullie

[Detournement]

31 minutes ago, madwullie said:

I suspect this decision will be driven by WM 

What worries me is that a vaccine passport is something that Boris, Gove and Raab should be automatically hostile to but they are unenthusiastically backing it. 

Also the lack of discussion about it in the media is ominous especially considering it could be live in 6 months without any real scrutiny.

Edited March 3, 2021 by Detournement

[Left Back]

2 minutes ago, Detournement said:

What worries me is that a vaccine passport is something that Boris, Gove and Raab should be automatically hostile to but they are unenthusiastically backing it. 

Also the lack of discussion about it in the media is ominous especially considering it could be live in 6 months without any real scrutiny.

If it takes 6 months to get up and running the games a bogey.  No point opening up society in 3 months* time if no-one is allowed in anywhere as they don't have a vaccine passport.

Of course given the track record of UKG in delivering IT projects the likelihood of getting this up and running in 6 months is very slim.  thinking about it that's probably a good reason it could get ditched.  They won't want to be hanging around opening up the economy waiting for a vaccine passport.

* dates are not exact.  Only using it as an example.

[Have some faith in Magic]

1 hour ago, HibsFan said:

36% reduction in cases since last Wednesday.

Smoky in here isn't it?

Win win as smoking combats the virus, 

Get them lit.

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, madwullie said:

I 100% agree, but that's what the data from israel showed. When it came to the younger population there were far fewer willing to get jagged, meaning they "had" to introduce incentives - time off work, free food, and vaccine passports, or they weren't going to hit what they think is the HIT (90%)

I thought you were all about following the data from israel?  

Based on here I don't think we'll have the same level of antivax sentiment. 

A HIT of 90% is utter nonsense.

47 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's going to be lower when you get down to age groups that are not badly impacted by the virus. 

Not so sure about that. There will be a slight drop off, but it's not going to be drastic:

 

[Detournement]

13 minutes ago, Left Back said:

If it takes 6 months to get up and running the games a bogey.  No point opening up society in 3 months* time if no-one is allowed in anywhere as they don't have a vaccine passport.

Of course given the track record of UKG in delivering IT projects the likelihood of getting this up and running in 6 months is very slim.  thinking about it that's probably a good reason it could get ditched.  They won't want to be hanging around opening up the economy waiting for a vaccine passport.

* dates are not exact.  Only using it as an example.

It remains to be seen if anything will be open in 3 months time considering furlough has been extended to September. Boris did say Not Earlier Than.

If we do have restrictive vaccine rules they will likely be implemented at the same time as the EU.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, Elixir said:

A HIT of 90% is utter nonsense.

Not so sure about that. There will be a slight drop off, but it's not going to be drastic:

 

If this government say it must be true.......

It's not like they have a behaviourist 'Nudge Unit' and a history of manipulating polls. 

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, HibsFan said:

36% reduction in cases since last Wednesday.

Smoky in here isn't it?

Verifiable pea souper.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Quick question.
Young person tests positive for Covid in the middle of February. Isolates for 10 days.
At the end of February a parent of the young person tests positive.
Does the young person have to self-isolate again?

Yes.

[D.A.F.C]

 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Do the deaths announced not refer to the deaths registered yesterday, rather than the date of death? 

Yes.

[Left Back]

12 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It remains to be seen if anything will be open in 3 months time considering furlough has been extended to September. Boris did say Not Earlier Than.

If we do have restrictive vaccine rules they will likely be implemented at the same time as the EU.

Furlough being extended does not equal nothing open.  Some industries (airlines as an example) will not go straight back to 100% capacity so will need furlough.  Others (pubs for example) will be raring to go with pent up demand.  Airlines will need furlough for longer so the option is there.  Most industries won’t.

[madwullie]

22 minutes ago, Elixir said:

A HIT of 90% is utter nonsense.

Not so sure about that. There will be a slight drop off, but it's not going to be drastic:

 

You'll notice I wrote "what they think is HIT" 

Edited March 3, 2021 by madwullie

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Eh?
Courses can comfortably run from August.  They more or less did this year for goodness' sake.  Indeed, in any year, loads of kids in S5 and S6 only join classes at that point due to re-jigging in the wake of exam results.
I don't see next year's exams needing delayed, but if removing a couple of units helps deal with a slightly truncated course, then that can again happen.  
It is going to be very different looking final term from usual, but S1 transition and induction can be accommodated relatively comfortably.  It's not that huge an undertaking.  It'll just be something else that needs squeezed in.  It's a much better idea for features like that to take the hit, than for those seeking qualifications to suffer further.

There are 2 issues though - current S3 will be really unprepared for S4 and current S4/S5 will have never sat a final exam.

It's usually not a problem with crash Highers as they have experience of sitting final exams and assignments in other exams and have an idea what to expect - for the current S4/S5 cohort we will be in uncharted territory.

[Elixir]

Was this posted on here today, btw?

So we now have Sharon Peacock, the director of the UK's genomic sequencing consortium, Andrew Pollard, the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, and Francois Balloux, the director of UCL's Genetics Institute, all calming fears and advising to stop incessantly obsessing over vArIaNtZ.

How much more authority is needed from specialised leaders in these fields to silence the utter babbling of the media and 'public health experts'?

[madwullie]

7 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Furlough being extended does not equal nothing open.  Some industries (airlines as an example) will not go straight back to 100% capacity so will need furlough.  Others (pubs for example) will be raring to go with pent up demand.  Airlines will need furlough for longer so the option is there.  Most industries won’t.

Seems surprising they've announced it as furlough then. Would they not be more likely to call it targeted support?

In fact, did sunak not say a while ago that companies would now need to sink or swim. That might have been a while ago though and he's u-turned. 

[Jambomo]

Just now, madwullie said:

Seems surprising they've announced it as furlough then. Would they not be more likely to call it targeted support?

In fact, did sunak not say a while ago that companies would now need to sink or swim. That might have been a while ago though and he's u-turned. 

He’s fucked about with furlough before though, having employer contributions last summer etc.

It’s not surprising he’d call it furlough when it’s really something else, as by calling it this he looks more generous as people will assume it’s the same as before (like they did last summer.)