Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, super_carson said: Don't forget the media darling Devi. Who, to be fair, is a doctor. Of philosophy. I'd have mentioned her, but I couldn't be arsed looking up what her field was. Philosophy though. f**k me -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: They'll roll out the fucking doctor of Thuganomics for his opinion next - Sorry, I can’t see anything in that picture you posted? 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Elric said: One for Tynierose to possibly answer. We have been told that the current vaccines can be adapted to counter any new variants. When a vaccine is adapted like that does it go straight into production after a short period of testing or does it have to go through a prolonged period like the initial vaccine and get full BMA approval? Sorry for pre-empting Tynierose, but I'd believe the short answer is no. We now already know the base of how these vaccines work and respond in humans, so it should 'just be the case' of re-formulating them. When it's decided what strains to put into the influenza vaccine each year, it doesn't go through fully blown clinical trials as we already know how it works, and there's of course the urgency of it being ready for autumn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Are you pre emptively laying the ground work to criticise the greatest medical achievement of modern times, rather than accept some (completely valid, form guide based) criticism of scotgov?In what way ? I quite categorically said it wasn't the case the vaccine wasn't working so no idea what your getting at. The vaccine is working so I fully expect every LA to be sub 50 cases in what will be the best part if 8 weeks. Based on everything we have seen so far if it's not the case come end April something will have gone drastically wrong. I don't think it will so sub 50 we should be nation wide. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Have Israel published any kind of Roadmap? What measures (if any) are they using to relax restrictions? * off to the Times of Israel * Anyone know of a different newspaper from there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, madwullie said: Have Israel published any kind of Roadmap? What measures (if any) are they using to relax restrictions? * off to the Times of Israel * Anyone know of a different newspaper from there? Ha, according to this https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-health-official-election-fever-driving-governments-pandemic-decisions/ The health ministry want to keep restrictions in place, but the govt are pushing on to lift them to garner popularity for an upcoming election. They seem to also be concentrating on R number and cases. Edit: most open stuff is strictly limited to those who are vaccinated or recovered. Presumably the fully digital system they have makes it easier to find out if someone has been infected and is now recovered. They're not even allowing those who have had it to be vaccinated. That would be unworkable here - in fact, how can they be sure if someone has been asymptomatic? Presumably, they just don't vax those who have had symptoms - can't see how they could deny it if someone isn't even aware of having it themselves. Edited March 2, 2021 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, super_carson said: Sorry, I can’t see anything in that picture you posted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Sturgeon has already suggested that the levels will be different from before, and we've seen implications that things won't be hugely different to England.Therefore it wouldn't surprise me if they took the opposite approach to last autumn and fudged the levels to suit the numbers rather than fudging the numbers to suit the levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: In what way ? I quite categorically said it wasn't the case the vaccine wasn't working so no idea what your getting at. The vaccine is working so I fully expect every LA to be sub 50 cases in what will be the best part if 8 weeks. Based on everything we have seen so far if it's not the case come end April something will have gone drastically wrong. I don't think it will so sub 50 we should be nation wide. In 8 weeks time, whether we are sub 50 or not should not be the driving force behind what level we are in. Yeah it should be monitored whilst the programme is continuing to roll out but the trigger point from now on, with an effective vaccine in place should be hospital cases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Can’t tell if you are being dense or actively ignoring the point. When we get to the point of easing restrictions, cases will undoubtedly rocket up amongst the younger unvaccinated population, despite it likely having next to no impact on hospital and death rates, so if we base anything on case numbers then it’s going to be farcical.The younger unvaccinated population just need to be sensible and not go and get tested if they have a wee cough, sorted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Can’t tell if you are being dense or actively ignoring the point. When we get to the point of easing restrictions, cases will undoubtedly rocket up amongst the younger unvaccinated population, despite it likely having next to no impact on hospital and death rates, so if we base anything on case numbers then it’s going to be farcical.No idea if the loosening will be incrementally "big" enough to allow cases to rocket. Depends how much we loosen each time. I dont disagree that cases shouldn't be the measure but as a baseline if they are the figs looked achievable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Don't forget the media darling Devi. Who, to be fair, is a doctor. Of philosophy. This just means she has a PhD, that's literally what it stands for and doesn't mean you literally studied "philosophy" as a subject. Her PhD is in public health, that is what her background is. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: I'd have mentioned her, but I couldn't be arsed looking up what her field was. Philosophy though. f**k me I wish journalists would start asking why we seem to be incarcerated on the advice of a dentist and nutritionist/anthropologist, who hold fringe views which are at odds with the majority scientific consensus among virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists about what the future holds for SARS-CoV-2 in the relatively near future, i.e. a background threat no greater than anything we have previously always lived with. Also, a few months ago I specifically recall Leitch saying at a press conference that eventually we would be 'living with the virus in an endemic fashion, like we do with colds and flus and so on', but that the world 'isn't there yet'. I would like to know if he still holds this sensible belief, or if he has now been totally hoodwinked by Devi and Linda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: I'd have mentioned her, but I couldn't be arsed looking up what her field was. Philosophy though. f**k me It’s a Doctorate in Philosophy focusing on Medical Anthropology so it’s at least a bit more apt than just philosophy makes it sound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, craigkillie said: This just means she has a PhD, that's literally what it stands for and doesn't mean you literally studied "philosophy" as a subject. Her PhD is in public health, that is what her background is. No, I know. But my point was more it’s not medical per se. I think a few folk have pointed out that the most prominent advisors aren’t those qualified in virology or epidemiology. Perhaps allowing my frustration to get in the way of the point I’m trying to make. ETA: it’s not that I think her contributions are worthless, clearly she is qualified and her opinion is worth listening to. But I don’t think it should be taken as gospel, and should be weighed up against the opinions of virologists, epidemiologists, economists, socialists, etc. I just feel that, mostly due to MSM, the debate and range of opinions presented have become skewed. It isn’t great when such a big issue like the pandemic appears to be being influenced by a narrow field of experts. Edited March 2, 2021 by super_carson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: In what way ? I quite categorically said it wasn't the case the vaccine wasn't working so no idea what your getting at. The vaccine is working so I fully expect every LA to be sub 50 cases in what will be the best part if 8 weeks. Based on everything we have seen so far if it's not the case come end April something will have gone drastically wrong. I don't think it will so sub 50 we should be nation wide. As others have pointed out already, using cases as the driving metric is bullshit, and then inference of your post was that if we cant loosen because cases are high, that's the fault of the vaccine, when instead we should be acknowleding that case numbers are becoming irrelevant precisely because the vaccine is wildly exceeding its stated aims 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) this can only be acceptable if the "levels" are far less restrictive than last year . Needing under 50 cases to leave your local authority in the middle of july? get tae f**k . The vast majority of rules can't be enforced en mass so forced business closures aside many more people will just say f**k it and do as they please, just as they are now when it comes to covid vs independence, a lot of people could look at whats happening hear and in the republic of Ireland where they are talking about mid july before any real loosening, and are actualy using police roadbocks to keep people in line. plenty folk could see that and think well if this is what independence looks like then you can stick it up your arse Edited March 2, 2021 by effeffsee_the2nd 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 2, 2021 Author Share Posted March 2, 2021 Interesting interview with the head of the UK genome sequencing team.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-variants-mutations-latest-brazil-uk-b1809685.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: this can only be acceptable if the "levels" are far less restrictive than last year . Needing under 50 cases to leave your local authority in the middle of july? get tae f**k . The vast majority of rules can't be enforced en mass so forced business closures aside many more people will just say f**k it and do as they please, just as they are now Given vast tracts of Scotland are already at or below that level (and several very close), with cases trending down already, with eight weeks of restrictions until we get to that point and the likelihood that 3.5m plus adults in Scotland will have had at least a first dose by then, I'd be astounded if many - if any - local authority areas are much above 50 cases per 100,000 people by the end of April when this actually becomes an issue. The whole point is that the vaccine prevents infection and onwards transmission in and by the overwhelming majority of people who take it. By the end of April the overwhelming majority of people will have had at least a first dose. There obviously needs to be *some* kind of measure by which it is decided how things move up and down - though cases probably isn't particularly meaningful by the time the vaccine rollout has got to that stage. However, if cases are much over 50 per 100,000 somewhere by the time most people who are actually likely to get sick have had the vaccine then it suggests there's a problem in that particular area either with uptake or something else. We'll see how the vaccine stats look this week but from all the noises being made it seems to me like virtually everyone who wants one could comfortably have had their first dose by the end of May, never mind the end of July, even with the second dose programme ramping up. Edited March 2, 2021 by Jamie_Beatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I see the legal challenge down South from the hospitality industry was successful in demonstrating that the industry specific restrictions were discriminatory. No more requirements to order food with alcohol, and no more curfews, unless the Government can provide proof these are beneficial (i.e. "drunk people can't social distance" isn't enough). I will assume the verdict has no direct bearing up here, but I wonder if the SG will avoid such petty restrictions this time round. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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