Honest_Man#1 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: They promised all this but did nothing to actually achieve it. To do so they would need to have an actual lockdown with closed borders and aggressive track and trace followed by mass testing. After that pretty much live this way until nearly everyone was vaccinated and release slowly while maintaining testing at the borders. What they actually did was pretty much nothing despite being locked down for months making the lockdown pretty much ineffective and a blunt tool that scunnered everyone into not obeying future rules. No effective opposition and poor journalism meant that they weren’t even questioned really even the health minister is still in a job despite the chaos in care homes. They should have went hard at the start and instead just blamed Westminster for all their failings. I’m not sure how we would have got on without the furlough scheme or access to the vaccine so quickly but let’s not throw stones at that. Entire response is a joke but somehow most think that sturgeon has done a great job. Compared to someone who shook hands with covid patients, well I suppose so. In terms of a global comparison, nope. Total failure. I can’t believe that anyone is still trying to engage with you considering your petulant sarcastic responses to legitimate questions that you can’t answer. The above, and subsequent comments when questioned on it, shows you as either a dribbling simpleton or a troll. I’m going with the former. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Yea, that’s not what the article says. The article says that Deeks identified significant issues with the accuracy of the tests with the 60% figure coming from a study in Liverpool. Im quite happy with my skepticism of the reliability of LF testing. Even if you take the Schools Minister saying 1/3 of tests have false negative results https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-reliable-are-the-uks-coronavirus-lateral-flow-tests then its quite a significant issue. The sage report from late 2020 also puts the 48% accuracy into play. The highest successful accurate test ratings of 70% occurred in testing at Porton Down, essentially conducted by expert lab technicians and scientists, real world tests conducted and handled by trained members of the public appear to have an accuracy of 58% according to another study. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 If only we had something like testing to be able to test them. Like France did at the border. Dunno how we would do that tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: The article says that Deeks identified significant issues with the accuracy of the tests with the 60% figure coming from a study in Liverpool. Im quite happy with my skepticism of the reliability of LF testing. Even if you take the Schools Minister saying 1/3 of tests have false negative results https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-reliable-are-the-uks-coronavirus-lateral-flow-tests then its quite a significant issue. The sage report from late 2020 also puts the 48% accuracy into play. The highest successful accurate test ratings of 70% occurred in testing at Porton Down, essentially conducted by expert lab technicians and scientists, real world tests conducted and handled by trained members of the public appear to have an accuracy of 58% according to another study. It doesn’t say you would be as well flipping a coin. Cos that would mean you would have 50% of who you tested as positive which is clearly wrong. There is certainly issues, which obviously need looked into, but don’t misrepresent the stats. It’s better looking at lateral flow as ‘detects a decent amount of positives that may well have been missed’ rather than ‘your definitely negative, go do whatever you want’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Level thresholds to be tougher... I https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471 it’s back to a rather gloomy outlook for life north of the border, hopefully the vaccine continues to work. If they are also going to be tougher on thresholds then they need to bloody well stick to the thresholds this time, not bin it a couple of weeks in. Edited March 1, 2021 by super_carson 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Lateral flow tests are absolute pump and should be launched into the nearest skip. The busted flush of the pandemic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, parsforlife said: It doesn’t say you would be as well flipping a coin. Cos that would mean you would have 50% of who you tested as positive which is clearly wrong. There is certainly issues, which obviously need looked into, but don’t misrepresent the stats. It’s better looking at lateral flow as ‘detects a decent amount of positives that may well have been missed’ rather than ‘your definitely negative, go do whatever you want’ I didnt say the article said youd be as well flipping a coin, I said that, if the accuracy in terms of false negatives is as low as those studies suggest then its a reasonable analogy. I dont have enough faith in the concept of testing to go for it, the vaccines are shown to reduce transmission, they are our way out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vikingTON Posted March 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, super_carson said: Level thresholds to be tougher... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471 it’s back to a rather gloomy outlook for life north of the border. The goalposts quite literally being shifted in the middle of a match now to appease these absolute fucking losers. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Not sure why that's coming as a surprise or indeed a news story on the BBC considering it was in the document released last week. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, virginton said: The goalposts quite literally being shifted in the middle of a match now to appease these absolute fucking losers. Yep. That’s any hope of normality in Scotland by the summer out the window I fear. Despite a highly effective vaccine programme, we are going to be in a worse position than last year. And the worst part? Absolute hand wringing Helen Lovejoy types will lap it up. Edited March 1, 2021 by super_carson 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Calm down dear. Butlins will still be there next year. -7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: The goalposts quite literally being shifted in the middle of a match now to appease these absolute fucking losers. This is a shocker. Basing it on WHO guidance from before vaccines were approved. “Content of restrictions” really means they reserve the right to ignore data and arbitrarily punt areas into levels for amusement as they did before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, super_carson said: Level thresholds to be tougher... I https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471 it’s back to a rather gloomy outlook for life north of the border, hopefully the vaccine continues to work. If they are also going to be tougher on thresholds then they need to bloody well stick to the thresholds this time, not bin it a couple of weeks in. Not entirely surprised, I hoped NS would be more reasonable with the levels but she seems to be pandering to the Lovejoy brigade. Seems like they actively want a pumping in the election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, super_carson said: Level thresholds to be tougher... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471 it’s back to a rather gloomy outlook for life north of the border. Well that’s Glasgow fucked until the summer then (when restrictions are canned once and for all). Scottish Govt seem hell bent on finishing off the hospitality industry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Level thresholds to be tougher... I https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56237471 it’s back to a rather gloomy outlook for life north of the border, hopefully the vaccine continues to work. If they are also going to be tougher on thresholds then they need to bloody well stick to the thresholds this time, not bin it a couple of weeks in.That just says they are aligning with the WHO levels not what can happen at each level.That is the real decision we are waiting on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 On 23/02/2021 at 19:47, Elixir said: So Sturgeon plans on bouncing everyone into 'level three' 10 (ten) weeks from now, despite the fact that currently: - only 7 council areas 'require' the level three threshold - 8 council areas meet the level two threshold - 15 council areas meet the level one threshold - 2 council areas (Orkney and Shetland) meet the level zero threshold And between now and then infection rates are only naturally going to go one way as winter ends and spring progresses - down. What a load of utter shit. How are they going to continue justifying this for at least the next two months? Surely not the standard and now dubious 'new, highly infectious variant' mewling. Quote The government said the more stringent approach was needed because of the new faster-spreading variant of the virus. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: Not sure why that's coming as a surprise or indeed a news story on the BBC considering it was in the document released last week. This is true. Using cases as the primary metric is something which needs seriously challenged, though, particularly as the levels aren't due to come into play until after the completion of vaccine roll out for the entire JCVI top 9 groups. The problem is no one seems to be interested in doing so. The article also assumes the levels themselves will remain unchanged, which I don't think will be the case. Edited March 1, 2021 by Todd_is_God 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 I read earlier that Matt Hancock said the movie "Contagion" helped shape his response to dealing with covid and the vaccine. Going to give it a watch and see if I can see any similarities 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: That just says they are aligning with the WHO levels not what can happen at each level. That is the real decision we are waiting on. I know the levels will be adjusted, but given how much the SG are obsessed with elimination/eradication/whatever phrase of the month is I don’t think it’ll be drastically different. That said, given the kicking she took last week I’ll be interested to see what is put forward and the public reaction to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: Not sure why that's coming as a surprise or indeed a news story on the BBC considering it was in the document released last week. The SG's fluffers were actually using the claim in the document to suggest that the tiers would have fewer restrictions than before, to try and wave away the SG's crock of shite, roadmap to nowhere. Who could have predicted that the opposite would prove the case?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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