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50 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Has he been outed as a wartime sexpest yet?

Someone I know in the army outed him as a bit of an old fraud over the summer...using the rank of retired captain in civilian life is a bit sketchy in itself, as lieutenant and captain are basically the baby officer ranks and you're not entitled to use them after you leave. It's not strictly illegal, but it's certainly frowned upon. Add in the fact he seems to have left as only an acting captain meaning that he would have reverted to his permanent rank (lieutenant) on leaving and thus it also very much looks like he was bullshitting about what rank he actually was for 70+ years...

Despite the lip service hero worship they were forced to show to the public, from what I was told the actual army of today pretty much had the measure of him - he was described to me as a bit of an old walt...had to ask what that meant, and it's apparently an army term for ex-services pub bore types who exaggerate what they got up to and how important they were...the ex-army cook who claims to have been in the SAS type of thing...it's apparently short for Walter Mitty.

 

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1 minute ago, Hillonearth said:

.the ex-army cook who claims to have been in the SAS type of thing

 

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Even if all he did in WW2 was clean the lavvies it's still more impressive than anything Our War On Terror Boys have managed in the past two decades. 

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Almost no one of the admittedly small sample size I have ever known, who was involved in the war, didnt wish to speak of it, nor did they consider themselves an "army man" post leaving (unsurprising to see normal people no longer defining themselves by something they gave up seven decades ago)

Thus, I am deeply suspicious of anyone who joined up for the war and continues to harp on about it 70 years later.

All of that said, despite having little interest in the old boy and the media circus, I really would prefer it if is the case that he was largely oblivious to it all and his horrific daughter was dressing him up like a GI Geriatric doll.

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25 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

Someone I know in the army outed him as a bit of an old fraud over the summer...using the rank of retired captain in civilian life is a bit sketchy in itself, as lieutenant and captain are basically the baby officer ranks and you're not entitled to use them after you leave. It's not strictly illegal, but it's certainly frowned upon. Add in the fact he seems to have left as only an acting captain meaning that he would have reverted to his permanent rank (lieutenant) on leaving and thus it also very much looks like he was bullshitting about what rank he actually was for 70+ years...

Despite the lip service hero worship they were forced to show to the public, from what I was told the actual army of today pretty much had the measure of him - he was described to me as a bit of an old walt...had to ask what that meant, and it's apparently an army term for ex-services pub bore types who exaggerate what they got up to and how important they were...the ex-army cook who claims to have been in the SAS type of thing...it's apparently short for Walter Mitty.

 

I stayed in the Union Jack club in London. It's basically a NAAFI/Hotel for service and ex-service personnel. I got in as a Servant of Her Majesty. Anyway, it's full of these old boys, some live in it permanently. Think Captain Tom and The Major from Fawlty Towers, in the same bar as Sergeant Major Williams and Corporal Jones. Early on it was all salutes and discipline. You'd think a bomb had gone off in the bar at the end of the night as the wounded got carried out.

Good laugh though.

https://www.ujclub.co.uk 

21 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

SAS stands for Super army soldier.

They have a Territorial Army version, Saturdays and Sundays.

Edited by Sergeant Wilson

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36 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Why do people have these moon units as "friends" on social media?

I find you get most of these things shared in local Facebook groups.

Local Facebook groups are really interesting.  I recently moved house from a more, er, robust area to a slightly more upmarket one.  I've been added to a local group in a new one and have them both in parallel, it's interesting to see the differences and similarities.  The previous one was clearly from a more economically deprived area, some of the items offered for sale were very shabby - one person the other day was selling an open bottle of Tia Maria.  It's amusing until you realise that people selling stuff like that are likely completely destitute.  There was also a lot of complaints about anti-social behaviour (teenagers levelling rocks at passing cars is a recent trend) and a lot of complaints about fly tipping, which is a problem around the area.  You'd also get people asking for work for themselves or family, an indication of how things are going in the world.

The new area has some of the same stuff - complaints about antisocial behaviour of teenagers seem to go across social boundaries.  The recent snow saw a lot of people complaining about teeangers throwing blocks of ice at cars and also some discussion about stolen sledges.  I haven't seen any items offered for sale though and nobody trying to find a job.  There are people in the new areas Facebook page who regularly appeal for donations to the foodbank that serves the other area - I didn't move far.  I wonder if the woman selling the half drunk bottle of booze on the old group will be going to the foodbank that the new group collects for.  

Neither group has a huge number of messages about Captain Tom, a couple in each.  It certainly doesn't seem to be at all part of the public conciousness.  It does make me wonder if there's a huge groundswell behind this 'Clap For Tom' thing or if it's just driven via the media and a few loud people.  It's like a few weeks ago when the woman who started the Thursday night clap said it was coming back - you had media types all lined up, Channel 4 News brought back their live coverage of it but nobody in the real world did it and it was quietly shelved.

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27 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

Someone I know in the army outed him as a bit of an old fraud over the summer...using the rank of retired captain in civilian life is a bit sketchy in itself, as lieutenant and captain are basically the baby officer ranks and you're not entitled to use them after you leave. It's not strictly illegal, but it's certainly frowned upon. Add in the fact he seems to have left as only an acting captain meaning that he would have reverted to his permanent rank (lieutenant) on leaving and thus it also very much looks like he was bullshitting about what rank he actually was for 70+ years...

Despite the lip service hero worship they were forced to show to the public, from what I was told the actual army of today pretty much had the measure of him - he was described to me as a bit of an old walt...had to ask what that meant, and it's apparently an army term for ex-services pub bore types who exaggerate what they got up to and how important they were...the ex-army cook who claims to have been in the SAS type of thing...it's apparently short for Walter Mitty.

 

Whilst the use of his rank etc might not have been exactly by the book, I think anyone who served in WW2 is pretty far removed from someone who spends a few years on a base in Germany then makes out he was a one man black op taking the fight to terrorists all around the world.

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Yanks will be up to third tomorrow.

Ra Sellick now on the board.

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27 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

Someone I know in the army outed him as a bit of an old fraud over the summer...using the rank of retired captain in civilian life is a bit sketchy in itself, as lieutenant and captain are basically the baby officer ranks and you're not entitled to use them after you leave...

Captain Mark Philips was definitely getting frowned on for that having had the misfortune of having to listen to an irate Colonel Blimp type rant on and on about it back in the early 1980s even though nothing was ever said in the media at the time of course.

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Don't you know Captain Tom saved all the men in his unit during the War?

Spoiler

He shot the cook

 

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21 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Almost no one of the admittedly small sample size I have ever known, who was involved in the war, didnt wish to speak of it, nor did they consider themselves an "army man" post leaving (unsurprising to see normal people no longer defining themselves by something they gave up seven decades ago)

Thus, I am deeply suspicious of anyone who joined up for the war and continues to harp on about it 70 years later.

All of that said, despite having little interest in the old boy and the media circus, I really would prefer it if is the case that he was largely oblivious to it all and his horrific daughter was dressing him up like a GI Geriatric doll.

My Granpa never spoke about it up until a couple of months before he died and he started telling me about his time in France/Belgium/Holland and Germany.  I always wonder if he knew he was on the way out and wanted to talk to someone about it.

In no way did he make it sound in any way heroic or glamorous.  He was away from his wife for 5 years, his mates died, and he saw things that haunted him for the rest of his life. 

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My Granpa never spoke about it up until a couple of months before he died and he started telling me about his time in France/Belgium/Holland and Germany.  I always wonder if he knew he was on the way out and wanted to talk to someone about it.
In no way did he make it sound in any way heroic or glamorous.  He was away from his wife for 5 years, his mates died, and he saw things that haunted him for the rest of his life. 
You do wonder about the types who think it's something to be proud of. Evidently the more modern trend of extremely gritty and realistic war films havent gone far enough in convincing people that war isnt actually a boys holiday.

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Posted at 9:00

Significant return to normality' possible after vulnerable vaccinated - scientist

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Today Programme

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Prof Andrew Hayward - a member of the UK government's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) - says that, once the most vulnerable in society have been vaccinated, a return to normality is within reach.

He tells BBC Radio 4's Today Programme: "Once the most vulnerable people, particularly those over 50 and those with chronic illnesses, are vaccinated then yes I think we can see a significant return to normality.

"That, in addition to the fact coronavirus is a seasonal disease, I think will make a big difference and allow us to open up.

"I think what we'll see is a phased opening up as the vaccination levels increase, and then we will be more or less back to normal for the summer, I would imagine."

I wonder how much Sturgeon will continue to drag her feet, though. bQshDtu.png

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10 hours ago, Elixir said:

Yeah, great take, Dan. monto.png

Sunak is absolutely bang on the money. shitwine.png

Why does Boris stand socially distanced from his wife?

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21 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

I stayed in the Union Jack club in London. It's basically a NAAFI/Hotel for service and ex-service personnel. I got in as a Servant of Her Majesty. Anyway, it's full of these old boys, some live in it permanently. Think Captain Tom and The Major from Fawlty Towers, in the same bar as Sergeant Major Williams and Corporal Jones. Early on it was all salutes and discipline. You'd think a bomb had gone off in the bar at the end of the night as the wounded got carried out.

Good laugh though.

https://www.ujclub.co.uk 

They have a Territorial Army version, Saturdays and Sundays.

Im not going to lie, id rather holiday in Aleppo than visit the union jack club. 

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2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
4 minutes ago, KnightswoodBear said:
My Granpa never spoke about it up until a couple of months before he died and he started telling me about his time in France/Belgium/Holland and Germany.  I always wonder if he knew he was on the way out and wanted to talk to someone about it.
In no way did he make it sound in any way heroic or glamorous.  He was away from his wife for 5 years, his mates died, and he saw things that haunted him for the rest of his life. 

You do wonder about the types who think it's something to be proud of. Evidently the more modern trend of extremely gritty and realistic war films havent gone far enough in convincing people that war isnt actually a boys holiday.

Whilst the glamorisation and glorification of war is extremely distasteful, I think those who served in ww2 can be proud of their involvement.  They were, in the main, ordinary men who were conscripted to fight facists, not career soliders like today who had a choice in joining up.  

And, whilst the above maybe oversimplifies the politics of it, I dont think it can really be argued that Britain should not have been involved or picked the wrong side.

Agree with the reluctance to talk about it.  One of my grandfathers served in Burma in WW2 and spent a not inconsiderable amount of time in a japanese POW camp.  He certainly wasnt eager to tell tales about volleyball on the beach or fine dining abroad.

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46 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

Someone I know in the army outed him as a bit of an old fraud over the summer...using the rank of retired captain in civilian life is a bit sketchy in itself, as lieutenant and captain are basically the baby officer ranks and you're not entitled to use them after you leave. It's not strictly illegal, but it's certainly frowned upon. Add in the fact he seems to have left as only an acting captain meaning that he would have reverted to his permanent rank (lieutenant) on leaving and thus it also very much looks like he was bullshitting about what rank he actually was for 70+ years...

Despite the lip service hero worship they were forced to show to the public, from what I was told the actual army of today pretty much had the measure of him - he was described to me as a bit of an old walt...had to ask what that meant, and it's apparently an army term for ex-services pub bore types who exaggerate what they got up to and how important they were...the ex-army cook who claims to have been in the SAS type of thing...it's apparently short for Walter Mitty.

 

What about Captain Peacock in Are You Being Served, was he also conning us on prime time TV for years?

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7 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I find you get most of these things shared in local Facebook groups.

Having just looked at mine, it's somewhat entertaining to see how quickly these posts can turn into absolute bitchfests in the comments section.

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Not enough exclamation marks in the world for middle-aged women it would seem.

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