DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 "Every conceivable way" is just hyperbole and patently not true. Kids can continue to sit at home and play their playstations or watch TV. They can go out and play, socialise with other kids and if they are under-12 can visit anyone they like. Parents are struggling to understand how schools manage to extend out lessons for a whole day when it is only taking little Johnny 90 minutes at home. The resultant need to keep their precious ones occupied for the remainder of the day sees them longing for the schools to re-open. Yes schools should be re-opened as part of an evidence based process. Not just let's throw them back into schools so parents are given a break.Between you and VT I've never read as much bollocks as I have today. Schools are providing a lot more work than 90 minutes - the biggest issue we have is getting pupils to do it - especially when they either don't have sufficient access to ICT or parents who don't have the skills to support remote learning.We are continually chasing up parents who just don't reply to texts or emails. We also have kids pulling the wool over parent(s) eyes by submitting blank work; telling their parent(s) they are working when they are not; declining Teams meets to avoid speaking to their teacher - I could go on. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: We're actually at cross purposes. This is what I was responding to initially: The comparison I'm making is actually between '6-7 weeks off under the restrictions of last summer, compared to a 'normal' period off'. Those differences were in fact minimal relative to those for the rest of society. The current restrictions are certainly different from a summer holiday, but given the fact that the entire country is in nationwide lockdown I'm really not sure what the grounds for complaint are. They are not disproportionate, they are not overwhelming in any way and the reality is that children continue to enjoy greater opportunities for interaction, play and fewer everyday restrictions than the rest of the population. As I understood it, strichener was comparing now, with a normal summer. Last summer wasnt terrible in so far as keeping kids amused tbh. I cant sit here and claim otherwise. Now though, it is absolutely fucking shite. They are bored and restless, and demonstrating frustration in much the same way as I am. I certainly dont see their suffering as disproportionately higher than mine. My suffering should also be alleviated in short order by any right thinking government as theirs will be by returning to school. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Just now, Bairnardo said: They are bored and restless, and demonstrating frustration in much the same way as I am. I certainly dont see their suffering as disproportionately higher than mine. My suffering should also be alleviated in short order by any right thinking government as theirs will be by returning to school. I'm bored and restless. My suffering should not be lengthened because some children are bored. It's not the civic duty of adults without children to live under restrictions for longer than required purely so that children can see their pals inside a school building and their parents can get a wee break. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: I'm bored and restless. My suffering should not be lengthened because some children are bored. It's not the civic duty of adults without children to live under restrictions for longer than required purely so that children can see their pals inside a school building and their parents can get a wee break. I mean if that's all you think a return of full time education is about, I guess I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I think theres rather a lot more to it than that. As iv already said before though, I'm not going to get into the why and when, because with vaccines my expectation is a return to full normality for all, and anything less than that will be a scandal in my eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) Children are the future. Something to think about, there. Edited February 15, 2021 by Barry Ferguson's Hat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) The amount of seethe on here generated by kids not being at school is approaching the amount of seethe generated by kids being at school. All within the same demographic. Edited February 15, 2021 by Melanius Mullarkey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: I mean if that's all you think a return of full time education is about, I guess I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I think theres rather a lot more to it than that. For those that are going to be going back any time soon, it isn't. I don't expect full schools back full time this side of summer now tbh. 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: As iv already said... with vaccines my expectation is a return to full normality for all, and anything less than that will be a scandal in my eyes. Yeah I agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Vaccine as good in 'real world' as in trial in Israel Some more positive news out of Israel on the vaccine front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: Children are the future. Something to think about, there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 7 hours ago, madwullie said: Have to bear in mind they're exclusively using Pfizer as well up till now iirc But of course its fantastic news. What's happening with them re restrictions? They're still allowed to bombard Gaza. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Vaccine as good in 'real world' as in trial in Israel Some more positive news out of Israel on the vaccine front. Aye but how does it fare against the as yet undiscovered Sea of Galilee variant? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, NorthernLights said: Vaccine as good in 'real world' as in trial in Israel Some more positive news out of Israel on the vaccine front. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings.Story probably only needed released because of the bizarre prevalence of "WE NEED TO WAIT AND SEE IF THEY WORK" stories 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: I don’t see how it wouldn’t be. I’d imagine their using the same vaccine in the trial as they are in ‘real world’ and one would also imagine both the trials and ‘real world’ were tested on alive human beings. The "wE jUsT dOn'T kNoW!!1!" climbdown will take time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: Children are the future. Something to think about, there. I agree. If we teach them well we can let them lead the way. We can do that by showing them all the beauty they possess inside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: People aren't outright dismissing the effect on kids, but the idea that they somehow have it harder than everyone else, or that they are desperate to get back to the classroom for anything other than social reasons can get fired right into the bin where it belongs. Everyone is bored and missing socialising with friends. Unlike adults, however, children under 12 especially can actually still do this. Children's social lives should not be the number one priority. The difference between adults and kids is development. Most adults have learned most of what they're going to about social interactions. Most kids are still learning and learning fast. Not socialising won't have a lasting effect on most adults like it will on most kids. Plus the rules where i am don't let kids out to socialise. Not sure how that works for younger kids. Are five year olds supposed to be going alone to meet their pals in the park? Sounds mental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: I agree. If we teach them well we can let them lead the way. We can do that by showing them all the beauty they possess inside. Let them lead the way? The wee bassas have started an anti-vaxx campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Another mental statement from Johnson. The routemap will be "cautious but irreversible " that's some statement !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, coprolite said: The difference between adults and kids is development. Most adults have learned most of what they're going to about social interactions. Most kids are still learning and learning fast. Not socialising won't have a lasting effect on most adults like it will on most kids. We're talking about an extra 6 weeks or so, in the grand scheme of things it makes little difference. Prioritising children socialising above everything else is mental, and nothing more than an attempt to appease parents. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Apparently the first easing of restrictions will be meeting people in parks. Which has been going on all winter so really nothing will change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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