Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

Chris Whitty himself said back in December the risk was very small.

I must have missed that, I’ll see if I can find the quote.

As an aside, haven’t you been very critical of Whitty in previous posts?

[Michael W]

18 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said:

Uh oh...
 

Must just have been a coincidence the rates went shooting up when they went back then. 

Aren't kids generally asymptomatic as well? They'll spread it easily even if not ill themselves. 

[Honest Saints Fan]

Love this man.

[Honest_Man#1]

30 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

I'm a member of the Green Party and have actually leafleted for them in the local area over the last couple of years. I generally agree with Greer on a lot of issues (for example he was spot on about the exam results fiasco all summer), but he's bang out of order on this one and I've emailed him (as my List MSP) to say so. The notion of collective punishment is just an absolutely rotten take - the only reason to not have crowds at events is for public health reasons - as soon as it is safe to do so there is absolutely no reason not to.

Oh no, I wouldn’t have said that. It seems to rile up a few on here even mentioning emailing an MSP. I’m awaiting the “that will make no difference!” replies coming in.

[Bairnardo]

Love this man.

Picturing the treatment John in the replies would get on here....

[vikingTON]

2 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

Its wildly different to a normal summer holiday, that's for certain. Theres no point in pretending life isnt shit for kids as it is for us just now. I am quite simply hating life at the minute, and it doesnt matter that I have it better than a lot of folk. The same applies to kids.

In what ways?

[Todd_is_God]

27 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Must just have been a coincidence the rates went shooting up when they went back then. 

Aren't kids generally asymptomatic as well? They'll spread it easily even if not ill themselves. 

Aye but they are missing their wee pals, so as long as it's not "lots of coronavirus" they are spreading then it's ok.

Meanwhile, all other sectors with "no evidence of spreading lots of coronavirus" opening up?

Edited February 15, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Honest_Man#1]

21 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

25 minutes ago, Honest Saints Fan said:

Love this man.

Picturing the treatment John in the replies would get on here....

John needs fired into the sun.

[Monkey Tennis]

5 minutes ago, virginton said:

In what ways?

In what ways is sitting at home in January and February when there's a requirement to address and complete schoolwork, during a lockdown that sees all leisure facilities closed, and forbids travelling or meeting people indoors; different from a typical summer holiday?

Is that seriously what you're asking?

 

[Michael W]

Under 10k cases across the UK today for the first time. Since the second of October. 

Numbers do tend to be lower on Mondays, but that's pretty positive. 

[Bairnardo]

In what ways?

Well speaking for myself, with kids not old enough that they either go out to meet their pals, or prefer to sit in front of a playstation, pretty much nothing that they like to do is available to them. A standard summer holiday would likely include a holiday, it would also include a host of social interactions with friends and family (as would normal term times tbf). They would be at a park or similar outdoor activity most if not every day, and doing all the other shit kids enjoy like swimming, soft play, trampoline parks etc etc. They repeatedly ask when they will get to go back to school and nursery which tells me they miss it, and miss the friends they were in the process of making.

I am a bit at a loss as to how the likes of Ayrmad can rightly be ridiculed for claiming we have just been asked to give up a few things for a wee while, yet simultaneously the effect of this on kids can be dismissed. My experience is what it is. It has its scope and limitations, but this is a million miles from normal for my children and bears no resemblance whatsoever to a pre pandemic 7 weeks off school in the summer.

I mean, Wattoo got laughed off the thread for saying last summer was normal. How could a winter in lockdown possibly be compared to a normal summer holiday?

[vikingTON]

4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

In what ways is sitting at home in January and February when there's a requirement to address and complete schoolwork, during a lockdown that sees all leisure facilities closed, and forbids travelling or meeting people indoors; different from a typical summer holiday?

Is that seriously what you're asking?

On the one hand you're complaining that they're bored senseless, yet now the complaint is that they have work to do. Make your mind up please. 

And they're absolutely not 'sitting at home' and have been under no compulsion to do so. 

[stuart87]

Picturing the treatment John in the replies would get on here....

John’s a walloper

[superbigal]

I can only talk of experience of.my sons school. 1500 pupils over 2 sites. Total positive tests from August to December was 2. This is accurate as Fife report them all and I like.my figures as you all know.
Now the school is academically the best in Fife so it may well be that transfers through to following the rules more than other schools.
Does show it is possible though to avoid widespread events.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

There's bound to be people who have missed out having to go into hospital either having to miss their appointment or simply fallen off the radar. The patients falling of the NHS radar happens, I know from experience.

I don't disagree - but the way the Record reports this is that they are all missing out.

[NotThePars]

Oh no, I wouldn’t have said that. It seems to rile up a few on here even mentioning emailing an MSP. I’m awaiting the “that will make no difference!” replies coming in.

Wait til they hear about virtually any form of political participation.

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Well speaking for myself, with kids not old enough that they either go out to meet their pals, or prefer to sit in front of a playstation, pretty much nothing that they like to do is available to them. A standard summer holiday would likely include a holiday, it would also include a host of social interactions with friends and family (as would normal term times tbf). They would be at a park or similar outdoor activity most if not every day, and doing all the other shit kids enjoy like swimming, soft play, trampoline parks etc etc. They repeatedly ask when they will get to go back to school and nursery which tells me they miss it, and miss the friends they were in the process of making.

I am a bit at a loss as to how the likes of Ayrmad can rightly be ridiculed for claiming we have just been asked to give up a few things for a wee while, yet simultaneously the effect of this on kids can be dismissed. My experience is what it is. It has its scope and limitations, but this is a million miles from normal for my children and bears no resemblance whatsoever to a pre pandemic 7 weeks off school in the summer.

I mean, Wattoo got laughed off the thread for saying last summer was normal. How could a winter in lockdown possibly be compared to a normal summer holiday?

People aren't outright dismissing the effect on kids, but the idea that they somehow have it harder than everyone else, or that they are desperate to get back to the classroom for anything other than social reasons can get fired right into the bin where it belongs.

Everyone is bored and missing socialising with friends. Unlike adults, however, children under 12 especially can actually still do this.

Children's social lives should not be the number one priority.

[Bairnardo]

People aren't outright dismissing the effect on kids, but the idea that they somehow have it harder than everyone else, or that they are desperate to get back to the classroom for anything other than social reasons can get fired right into the bin where it belongs.
Everyone is bored and missing socialising with friends. Unlike adults, however, children under 12 especially can actually still do this.
Children's social lives should not be the number one priority.

Yeah but that's a bit different from what I was asked/answered

[vikingTON]

8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Well speaking for myself, with kids not old enough that they either go out to meet their pals, or prefer to sit in front of a playstation, pretty much nothing that they like to do is available to them. A standard summer holiday would likely include a holiday, it would also include a host of social interactions with friends and family (as would normal term times tbf). They would be at a park or similar outdoor activity most if not every day, and doing all the other shit kids enjoy like swimming, soft play, trampoline parks etc etc. They repeatedly ask when they will get to go back to school and nursery which tells me they miss it, and miss the friends they were in the process of making.

I am a bit at a loss as to how the likes of Ayrmad can rightly be ridiculed for claiming we have just been asked to give up a few things for a wee while, yet simultaneously the effect of this on kids can be dismissed. My experience is what it is. It has its scope and limitations, but this is a million miles from normal for my children and bears no resemblance whatsoever to a pre pandemic 7 weeks off school in the summer.

I mean, Wattoo got laughed off the thread for saying last summer was normal. How could a winter in lockdown possibly be compared to a normal summer holiday?

We're actually at cross purposes here. This is what I was responding to initially:

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A terrible point, considering 6 or 7 weeks at any point of the year under current restrictions is wildly different from any 6 or 7 weeks you care to choose in living memory.

The comparison I'm making is actually between '6-7 weeks off under the restrictions of last summer, compared to a 'normal' period off. Those differences were in fact minimal for children relative to those for the rest of society at the same time.

The current restrictions are certainly significantly different from a summer holiday, but given the fact that the entire country is in nationwide lockdown I'm really not sure what the grounds for complaint are. They are not disproportionate, they are not overwhelming in any way and the reality is that children continue to enjoy greater opportunities for interaction, play and fewer everyday restrictions than the rest of the population. 

Edited February 15, 2021 by vikingTON

[Monkey Tennis]

6 minutes ago, virginton said:

On the one hand you're complaining that they're bored senseless, yet now the complaint is that they have work to do. Make your mind up please. 

And they're absolutely not 'sitting at home' and have been under no compulsion to do so. 

I have absolutely no need to make up my mind on this because both parts can simultaneously be valid.

  Having to do schoolwork is different from the holidays.  Said schoolwork doesn't however mean that kids aren't bored given all the restrictions in place.

There is not a compulsion to sit at home, but the lack of available alternative pursuits, means that much more sitting at home is happening than would during a typical summer holiday.

You're simply talking rubbish here.