Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 What I think will happen is that people (besides those who are ill and people who are choking for a week off work) will stop getting tested. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: If you think that the SNP will be consigned to the past after independence, I have a bridge to sell you. I mean, realistically, what would their continued function be in an independent Scotland? Their entire manifesto since inception has been Scottish independence. I'd argue that currently, a massive amount of voters only stick with them because of this. A bit of an over-simplification but if you break it down, them hanging about would be like the Brexit party continuing post-brexit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Bear in mind, we were told back then that the threshold to start considering Tier 4 (and near lockdown) was when an area was surpassing 200/100,000 cases. Anyone now reading that 50/100,000 cases is the threshold and is not asking serious fucking questions of this mob needs their head looked at. They are a complete fucking shambles. It gives me no pleasure whatsoever in saying this as I've entrusted my last 6 or so votes to the party but they are tying themselves up in knots by moving the target so much to a point where it's not achievable. We were told that furlough being extended to devolved Governments was a welcome relief for use 'WHEN WE NEED TO' and in the 3 months since that extension was announced, it's now in the territory of no longer only using it when we need to but fucking milking it dry until it's taken away, regardless of case numbers. It will be achievable assuming the vaccine(s) give the transmission cuts seen in the latest data. We can't relax the restrictions significantly until pressure on the NHS has eased. Case numbers are falling nicely but you really need to get them out of hospital. If that is end of February, by then case loads will be sub 100/100k definitely. We would expect to have something like 1.1 million people vaccinated. 20 days after that, chances of hospitalisation due to the disease should be nil and that cohort should be more than two thirds less likely to pass around the virus. Add those who probably have existing immunity and maybe as much as 30% of the population will either be mild, asymptomatic or not passing it on at all. Edited February 3, 2021 by renton 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, virginton said: It absolutely is a big ask to do so nationwide while firing up the infection factories at the same time. Nearly all of the Central Belt hasn't hit under 50/100k since August: as soon as a dozen people test positive in an entire town then that's the game up the poley. An absolutely ridiculous benchmark to set when hospital rates and deaths will be steadily falling. This is yet more shifting the goalposts from the criteria used in the tiers system. I don't agree I fully expect pretty much all areas to hit <50/100k in the next few weeks....numbers are coming down significantly now and will only improve with the impact of lockdown now and the increased vaccine roll-out. Too many on here just like to see the negative side so that they can moan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Burnieman said: It was around end of September when the 50/100k was breached, that co-incided roughly with the "circuit breaker" in early October which never really ended. As such, 50/100k is reasonably consistent as a target to relax restrictions, it was probably the target to bring them in. The 'circuit breaker' was applied to the Central Belt only, where cases were much higher than 50/100k people at the time. Plus you are conflating 'relaxing restrictions' with 'having no restrictions at all'. What is being imposed at the moment is a de facto tier 5 category of restrictions. A 50/100k case rate was sufficient to be in tier 1 of restrictions three months ago, which is where the goalposts have been moved massively. There's absolutely no credible grounds to sit indoors until infections tick down to such an insignificant level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said: I don't agree I fully expect pretty much all areas to hit <50/100k in the next few weeks....numbers are coming down significantly now and will only improve with the impact of lockdown now and the increased vaccine roll-out. Too many on here just like to see the negative side so that they can moan. Nationally we will not drop below 50/100k with schools open. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, renton said: It will be achievable assuming the vaccine(s) give the transmission cuts seen in the latest data. We can't relax the restrictions significantly until pressure on the NHS has eased. Case numbers are falling nicely but you really need to get them out of hospital. If that is end of February, by then case loads will be sub 100/100k definitely. We would expect to have something like 1.1 million people vaccinated. 20 days after that, chances of hospitalisation due to the disease should be nil and that cohort should be more than two thirds less likely to pass around the virus. Add those who probably have existing immunity and maybe as much as 30% of the population will either be mild, asymptomatic or not passing it on at all. This an argument for relaxing restrictions by local ICU capacity and hospitalisations: not for the overall case rate in the community. It is completely ridiculous to focus on the latter as priority vaccinations make it steadily irrelevant, never mind at the benchmark Clownshoes Leitch wants to use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: I mean, realistically, what would their continued function be in an independent Scotland? Their entire manifesto since inception has been Scottish independence. I'd argue that currently, a massive amount of voters only stick with them because of this. A bit of an over-simplification but if you break it down, them hanging about would be like the Brexit party continuing post-brexit. I'm sure they're all choking to give up their cushy privileged lifestyles to go off and get real jobs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, virginton said: The 'circuit breaker' was applied to the Central Belt only, where cases were much higher than 50/100k people at the time. Plus you are conflating 'relaxing restrictions' with 'having no restrictions at all'. What is being imposed at the moment is a de facto tier 5 category of restrictions. A 50/100k case rate was sufficient to be in tier 1 of restrictions three months ago, which is where the goalposts have been moved massively. There's absolutely no credible grounds to sit indoors until infections tick down to such an insignificant level. The figures rapidly moved beyond 50/100k over those first couple of weeks in October, it more than doubled in a fortnight but it was around 50/100k when they started debating a circuit breaker. Regardless of that, everyone here yesterday was unsurprised and expecting lockdown to be extended into early March to replicate England/Wales. There was no criticism of that decision. We'll be below 50/100k before that date, but people are losing their heads over it. This place. Edited February 3, 2021 by Burnieman 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Perhaps related to the current musical chairs in the SNP, it's interesting that Jason Leitch is essentially the public face of the pandemic. We have a Health Minister who appears on teh briefing every few weeks or so and ther are also ministers for Older People, Public Health, Mental Health, Infrastructure. Have they had a hand in any of the response? You get the feeling that if Nicola Sturgeon had to step aside for any reason there isn't much behind her. Standing on the shoulders of midgets. You should do a course on the "The Handling and Management of Major Incidents" Basically Leitch is the "face" and you dont chop and change because believe it or not he is now trusted by a large percentage of the population (apart from living rent free in the p@b pandemic specialists heads) He isnt aimed at us he is aimed at the old dears/housewifes etc those that watch the daily briefing religiously and not those that claim they dont and then complain about him Basically the whole idea is he can deliver good and bad news And i have to do that pish course every 2 years and the only enjoyable bit is when you have to make the decision on who lives and who dies 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 37 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said: The daily express will be furious he died on the same day SNOWMAGEDON took place. And lol at the daily mail who always call the SNP "the Nats" with a nice flag waving front page. When can we leave this country? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, virginton said: The 'circuit breaker' was applied to the Central Belt only, where cases were much higher than 50/100k people at the time. Plus you are conflating 'relaxing restrictions' with 'having no restrictions at all'. What is being imposed at the moment is a de facto tier 5 category of restrictions. A 50/100k case rate was sufficient to be in tier 1 of restrictions three months ago, which is where the goalposts have been moved massively. There's absolutely no credible grounds to sit indoors until infections tick down to such an insignificant level. Variants though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Even if we are still in lockdown come May they'll still win by an absolute mile. Bloody Tories opening up too soon, putting profit before lives. Saint Nicola caring more again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Excellent news from the main man. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Even if we are still in lockdown come May they'll still win by an absolute mile. Bloody Tories opening up too soon, putting profit before lives. Saint Nicola caring more again. Tbh you just know the Tories will say, right everyone back to Pret and their offices. If they opened up social activities first whilst maintaining the work from home messages they would increase their vote share. But Tories gunnah Tory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Are school pupils to be vaccinated before they go back? If not they really should be if the vaccines are effective at stopping transmission to some extent. Might be behind on this but I don't think anyone would grumble about pupils being the next group to be given the vaccines once the vulnerable groups are done. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 . A 50/100k case rate was sufficient to be in tier 1 of restrictions three months ago, which is where the goalposts have been moved massively. This is true, of course, but there’s also a pretty valid argument that for most of the country the tier system simply didn’t work. Cases just rose slowly from just about the day it began. I’m not sure we should be holding it up as some sort of place to return to. Not that there isn’t a middle ground between lockdown and de facto Tier 1, especially with a fucking vaccine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Cabbage Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 46 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: So wait, Chubbs dies and gets his hand back but Tom dies and is still has to walk with assistance?! Shocking policy from the powers that be in heaven. They obviously took a poor stance on his non essential jaunt to Barbados aswell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Antibodies from infection found to last AT LEAST 6 months. More good news. They are going to have to announce that the next mutation turns your arsehole inside out and dissolves the wee bones in your ear at this rate. Another study showcasing that immunity from naturally acquired infection doesn't magically vanish. Truly incredible scenes. 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Even if we are still in lockdown come May they'll still win by an absolute mile. Bloody Tories opening up too soon, putting profit before lives. Saint Nicola caring more again. In a nutshell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Its England's fault 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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