DMCs Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Vaccines bringing down cases and hospitalizations in Israel: 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Offering and administering are not the same thing. It would be good to get a proper explanation of the change of phrase but bar Johnson admitting they had pulled the same stroke as they did with testing targets the question has been stonewalled by both govt officials and PHE officials. If it emerges they are counting refusals in their running total it would leave the figure over inflated by as much as 20% that being the only verified refusal rate (from the care home owners association today and reluctantly confirmedby PHE) that seems to have been made public. No reason to think it will be a lot lower in the general public at large unfortunately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, DMCs said: Vaccines bringing down cases and hospitalizations in Israel: Beat me to it. But remember, we're still not sure the impact the vaccines will have on reducing transmission. We know they are effective at stopping severe disease. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Father Ted Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: Johnson just on BBC news and it appears to make their care home deadline they issued a "slot" to all those not vaccinated over the weekend thus they have now "offered" that category their vaccine within the end January timescale !!! So offered appears to mean vaccinated PLUS all those been given a future appointment but not yet vaccinated. A total distortion of the figures right enough. Tories gonna Tory. Classes in duplicity must be the main subject in Eton, the school for the terminally abhorrent human beings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Your symptoms haven't deteriorated, then?Settled down to muscle and joint pain, and severe fatigue. Good signs, according to NHS. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: 4 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Your symptoms haven't deteriorated, then? Settled down to muscle and joint pain, and severe fatigue. Good signs, according to NHS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Tories gonna Tory. Classes in duplicity must be the main subject in Eton, the school for the terminally abhorrent human beings.Offered..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 It's a bit hard to compare WM and SG, to be fair. "Offered" doesn't mean it has been done yet, or even booked in and we know that WM have cooked the books before so that alone isn't worth getting upset about. That all being said, I'll reiterate what I've said before, there is no point in comparing what happens in Scotland to what happens in England, Wales or Northern Ireland. We are right to be asking if our rate of vaccination is going fast enough, and that pressure on the SG should be relentless in the briefings and from opposition parties. But not because WM claim to have done something, but because the SG have an obligation to get it done as fast as possible here. Comparisons with England won't really help determine whether or pace is adequate, but equally the questions should be asked about the rollout. This.The reason the eye-bleeding debate happened is that some were comparing Scotland against possibly massaged UK figures. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, madwullie said: So we're now shifting from "won't make their targets" to "the targets were too low in the first place" so basically anything is a failure? All this despite the fact we've jagged -lwhat, ~10% of the population, including all the most vulnerable care home residents, presumably in the top 10 (5?) or so nations on the planet. This tracking the precise number of jags per day is utterly pointless. Almost wish they'd just release weekly figures but that'd no doubt not be good enough either. As long as the UK as a whole is hitting their targets then this is an argument about not very much Were struggling to get into the top 5 in the UK which takes some doing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 This.The reason the eye-bleeding debate happened is that some were comparing Scotland against possibly massaged UK figures. England didn't need to prioritise care homes, they just got on with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Offered..... Mmm still not convinced. Edited February 1, 2021 by Father Ted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 England didn't need to prioritise care homes, they just got on with it.Aye right. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Anyone found VT's head yet? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) I imagine this thread will be quiet for a wee while now as the simps frantically try to straighten themselves out Edited February 1, 2021 by Todd_is_God -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: I imagine this thread will be quiet for a wee while now as the simps frantically try to straighten themselves out You can just post "well I don't believe that" and that makes it alright apparently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I don't believe that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Marshmallo said: You can just post "well I don't believe that" and that makes it alright apparently. Simp logic: NS - would never ever mislead Everyone else - lying about anything positive 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Why did they spend all day stonewalling the question carefully choosing the wording? Seems daft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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