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Care homes are ‘almost done’ which will hopefully see resources opened up but that won’t help if GPs don’t have the vaccine!

In fact, there are an estimated 555k in Groups 1 & 2, expected to be done by the ‘start of February’. To me that’s Monday 1st Feb. We’ll need to see about 20k a day to get there. So that one is surely very doable.

The concerning one is Groups 3, 4 & 5. 880k in there, I think, to be done by the end of Feb. Even if we started today it’s 21k per day, in addition to the 20k or so a day needed to hit the first target.

It needs to rise and it needs to rise pretty quickly. In fairness to the SG their plans show an exponential growth in numbers starting next Monday. It’ll be needed!

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3 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

I wish people would stop thinking that it's the weather that directly drives infections re- seasonality.  it's about how much time you spend indoors where the virus does the bulk of it's spreading.   People in roasting hot countries don't all head to the park with a carry out when it's 35 degrees for the 50th day in a row.  Only folk from cold damp cloudy places like here do that, where hot weather is the norm they minimise their time in the sun. and there's also things like monsoons like you mention .

There's also cultural differences too, in some places it's quite rare to be invited into another persons home whereas in others it's the number one means of socialising , as well as differences in how people work across different countries. for instance in many countries in latin America Africa or the Caribbean  there is no such thing as furlough or even a dole for the unemployed. simply shutting everything down and telling the staff to stay in their homes isn't an option for some

Also see quite a lot of multi generational family homes in Med and Asian households. 

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I am completely ignorant presumably but I don't understand 1) how a care home can't be vaccinated in a single day and 2) how care homes can be slower to vaccinate than herding the cats of over 80s who live in the community into a centralised point at specific individual appointments. Someone explain this to me please.

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In other news the cases over the last 3 days do seem to be coming down, it's usually less over the weekend but even satrudays wasn't horrific .  if theres no big jump up tomorrow it would be nice to think we've turned a corner

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1 hour ago, realmadrid said:

But its the summer in South America and most nations there now have another spike, which in many cases is way higher than their first in what was their winter. 

What in their summer weather would have the same effect as our winter?

Having an outdated healthcare system that barely copes with seasonal issues nevermind having covid lumped on top 

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7 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

I am completely ignorant presumably but I don't understand 1) how a care home can't be vaccinated in a single day and 2) how care homes can be slower to vaccinate than herding the cats of over 80s who live in the community into a centralised point at specific individual appointments. Someone explain this to me please.

No idea about 1, but I presume with 2, ordering say 500 people to turn up to a sports centre and jagging them all day will be quicker than going round say (numbers out my arse here) 100 separate care homes and jagging 50 residents in each, what with the travel etc required. Depends on the number of vaccinators I suppose, but it'll always be quicker getting loads of people to come to you, than individually going to a smaller number of people. 

Guaranteed someone will be on in a second to explain this better than I have. 

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3 minutes ago, madwullie said:

No idea about 1, but I presume with 2, ordering say 500 people to turn up to a sports centre and jagging them all day will be quicker than going round say (numbers out my arse here) 100 separate care homes and jagging 50 residents in each, what with the travel etc required. Depends on the number of vaccinators I suppose, but it'll always be quicker getting loads of people to come to you, than individually going to a smaller number of people. 

Guaranteed someone will be on in a second to explain this better than I have. 

That makes sense to an extent - they come to you rather than the logistics of going to them in their care home.

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2 minutes ago, madwullie said:

No idea about 1, but I presume with 2, ordering say 500 people to turn up to a sports centre and jagging them all day will be quicker than going round say (numbers out my arse here) 100 separate care homes and jagging 50 residents in each, what with the travel etc required. Depends on the number of vaccinators I suppose, but it'll always be quicker getting loads of people to come to you, than individually going to a smaller number of people. 

Guaranteed someone will be on in a second to explain this better than I have. 

So say you have 20 care homes and 10 vaccination staff, 50-70 residents to be jagged in each, give each staff member one for the morning and one for the afternoon. Would be the same as having 10 staff in a vaccination centre doing morning and afternoon shift. Not really getting the perception of logistical issues around this. Slightly more inconvenient but not really a staggering undertaking surely?

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4 hours ago, 101 said:

The UK government have some serious questions to answer why supply seems all over the place for the devolved nations but England seem to have constant supply even enough to ditch the priority group schedule to in an attempt to grab newspaper front pages

Absolutely this - it's noticeable that all of a sudden Care Homes have become a priority after the trumpeting of the sheer numbers they were in front  of Scotland.  Somebody must have poiinted out that some, at least, of the GBP were actually taking note of which arms the jabs were going into, and "it's too difficult" wasn't a reasonable excuse  - especially given their cavalier attitude to the Care sector in the initial wave of this shitstorm.

The devolved nations, on the whole, appear to have had their minds focussed by a paucity of supply, and so have had to make choices as to where the vacine should go first. England appears to have vaccine coming out of their ears - witness the focus on opening up mega-jab sites - yet their decision-making is still focussed on getting positive headlines in the Heil/Excess.

Anyhoo, with a bit of luck they might get confused and forget to give that cúnt Zahawi a vaccination.

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5 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

So say you have 20 care homes and 10 vaccination staff, 50-70 residents to be jagged in each, give each staff member one for the morning and one for the afternoon. Would be the same as having 10 staff in a vaccination centre doing morning and afternoon shift. Not really getting the perception of logistical issues around this. Slightly more inconvenient but not really a staggering undertaking surely?

I suppose that it's not as black and white as that. Some of the oldies won't turn up, won't be feeling well etc etc. Then the vaccination staff will have to go back at another point, and it all takes time. 

I wonder if some NHS authorities are having issues with visiting care homes, or those that can't get to a vaccination centre. My old man is 88, has COPD and is housebound and has been shielding for a year. He can't possibly get out the house to go to a vaccination centre, and is waiting patiently on his GP contacting him to arrange for someone to come to the house.

He then hears that the neighbours 2 doors up...both in their early 80's and in good health....have already had their invitations to go to the vaccination centre. 

We've told him not to worry and get nervous about it, but their does seem to be a randomness about the vaccination which will eventually make more people very edgy. 

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Sorry if i missed this, but when can we expect to start seeing the cases dropping, what with a lockdown and vaccination program?  Seem to be at 1400 per day at the moment.

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2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

I suppose that it's not as black and white as that. Some of the oldies won't turn up, won't be feeling well etc etc. Then the vaccination staff will have to go back at another point, and it all takes time. 

I wonder if some NHS authorities are having issues with visiting care homes, or those that can't get to a vaccination centre. My old man is 88, has COPD and is housebound and has been shielding for a year. He can't possibly get out the house to go to a vaccination centre, and is waiting patiently on his GP contacting him to arrange for someone to come to the house.

He then hears that the neighbours 2 doors up...both in their early 80's and in good health....have already had their invitations to go to the vaccination centre. 

We've told him not to worry and get nervous about it, but their does seem to be a randomness about the vaccination which will eventually make more people very edgy. 

There is a randomness, my wifes practice got 200 doses delivered and 380 people in the current categories to vaccinate, staff have to pick quickly who to vaccinate in this stage. Of the 200 phoned however 199 accepted and 1 refused stating unless it cured cancer they didnt want it (person doesnt have cancer). 
But the post ive picked above is about care homes where you dont need to worry about people turning up. 

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I'm a bit underwhelmed by the new vaccine centres the army are setting up.

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1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

Northern Ireland is quietly doing very well on vaccine rollout.  I believe they've done almost all care homes.  Good work from the Bunfields, who will be keen to get back to normal for rioting season this summer.  

Is it a Protestant or Catholic vaccine they've been using?

 

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6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the new vaccine centres the army are setting up.

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It's a bit like UNIT from the old Dr Who.

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16 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Sorry if i missed this, but when can we expect to start seeing the cases dropping, what with a lockdown and vaccination program?  Seem to be at 1400 per day at the moment.

You would expect that to happen once we start getting decent numbers of the general public vaccinated.

Vaccinating the most vulnerable in our care homes is great as it will mean they will be much less likely to die, but it's not that group that are driving community transmission or making up a large portion of the cases.

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6 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the new vaccine centres the army are setting up.

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You better no be mocking are brave troops of the BRITISH Army, by the way. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇮🇱🇺🇸 #kbf

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41 minutes ago, madwullie said:

No idea about 1, but I presume with 2, ordering say 500 people to turn up to a sports centre and jagging them all day will be quicker than going round say (numbers out my arse here) 100 separate care homes and jagging 50 residents in each, what with the travel etc required. Depends on the number of vaccinators I suppose, but it'll always be quicker getting loads of people to come to you, than individually going to a smaller number of people. 

Guaranteed someone will be on in a second to explain this better than I have. 

No doubt @Glen Sannox will be along soon needing this explained for the 4th day in a row.  

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25 minutes ago, TheScarf said:

Sorry if i missed this, but when can we expect to start seeing the cases dropping, what with a lockdown and vaccination program?  Seem to be at 1400 per day at the moment.

The BBC news at lunch had some talk of the effects being seen by the end of February and then a return to tiers as they work their way through the various vulnerable groups until May.

Then a debate as to where to go next, possibly teachers and shop workers rather than by age.

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Why aren’t we vaccinating at the same rate as England?

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