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I have a friend who is an ICU lead, her update yesterday was that things are not great. They don’t expect the peak icu admissions to be for another couple weeks as it lags behind peak admissions which is predicted be end this week.
It possibly varies by hospital but we look comfortably past the peak of hospital admissions, if not those in if they are staying longer. High 120s looks to be the average over the last few reported days compared to nearly 200 a couple of weeks previously.
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8 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Offered not administered?

NS covered this today, not everyone has accepted the vaccine and short of holding them down and ramming the syringe in their arm there's not much that can be done to change this.

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Offered not administered?
That's offered in the context explained ie 90% accepted so a 10% refusal rate. Offered according to Boris means have been sent a letter inviting them to make a vaccination appointment AND then including those in the daily figure and that is blatant misinformation. The SG made it crystal clear today as shite as their figure was it was needles in arms and always has been.
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26 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

So you don't accept they are going to make the 4 nations agreed target if groups 1-4 by 15 Feb as she seems convinced every day they will ?

Ultimately daily totals are not important if they make the UK wide agreed target.

IDGAF about the targets really. My assertion is that they can go faster and the lack of motivation to do so should be the scandal of our times

 

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1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

NS covered this today, not everyone has accepted the vaccine and short of holding them down and ramming the syringe in their arm there's not much that can be done to change this.

Some of these people may have allergies, compromised immune systems or terminal illness so not entirely suitable rather just being difficult 

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The business lobby fightback seems to have started today.

O'Leary holding a press conference this morning confirming summer holidays in Europe and the UK are fully "expected" for the summer, Easyjet sending out lots of marketing on their "Summer flight sale" and my E-Mail inbox so far today has received the "melia summer sale", Pestana "summer sale" H10 "summer sale", Wizz "spring and summer flight sale" and best hotels "summer sale".

Different music to last weeks doom and gloom, that's for sure.

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4 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

Some of these people may have allergies, compromised immune systems or terminal illness so not entirely suitable rather just being difficult 

Definitely.

 My use of "not accepting" was meant to cover that, as opposed to those just refusing for  no apparent reason. NS did in fact cover these very eventualities in an answer to a journalists (using the term loosely) question this morning.

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So we're now shifting from "won't make their targets" to "the targets were too low in the first place" so basically anything is a failure?

All this despite the fact we've jagged -lwhat, ~10% of the population, including all the most vulnerable care home residents, presumably in the top 10 (5?) or so nations on the planet. 

This tracking the precise number of jags per day is utterly pointless. Almost wish they'd just release weekly figures but that'd no doubt not be good enough either. 

As long as the UK as a whole is hitting their targets then this is an argument about not very much

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So we're now shifting from "won't make their targets" to "the targets were too low in the first place" so basically anything is a failure?
All this despite the fact we've jagged -lwhat, ~10% of the population, including all the most vulnerable care home residents, presumably in the top 10 (5?) or so nations on the planet. 
This tracking the precise number of jags per day is utterly pointless. Almost wish they'd just release weekly figures but that'd no doubt not be good enough either. 
As long as the UK as a whole is hitting their targets then this is an argument about not very much
How is it, when throughout this and going forward Scotgov have based Scottish restrictions on Scottish rates?

Do you think its somehow better for us when we are watching a 75% vaccinated England open up the hospitality industry in the summer whilst we are stuck in the house?
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IDGAF about the targets really. My assertion is that they can go faster and the lack of motivation to do so should be the scandal of our times
 
What makes you think this ?

The UKG set the target of groups 1-4 by 15 Feb for all 4 nations and are distributing vaccine on that basis. What proof do you have to back up your "assertion" that for some absurd reason the SG are sitting on a stash of vaccines and what would their reason be for doing this.
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10 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

How is it, when throughout this and going forward Scotgov have based Scottish restrictions on Scottish rates?

Do you think its somehow better for us when we are watching a 75% vaccinated England open up the hospitality industry in the summer whilst we are stuck in the house?

Youre raging about stuff that hasn't happened mate

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11 people so far tested positive with the South African strain of the virus.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-south-africa-variant-found-in-eight-areas-in-england/

As someone mentioned earlier they really seem to be shitting themselves over this one. Will be really surprised if they can contain the outbreak

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Youre raging about stuff that hasn't happened mate
And just to show stats can be misleading England has vaccinated 17% of all over 16yo that figure in Scotland is 22% so far more of the Scottish population has been done so far than England *source sky news article here https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-vaccination-tracker-find-out-how-many-have-had-the-jab-12179220
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17 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

What makes you think this ?

The UKG set the target of groups 1-4 by 15 Feb for all 4 nations and are distributing vaccine on that basis. What proof do you have to back up your "assertion" that for some absurd reason the SG are sitting on a stash of vaccines and what would their reason be for doing this.

Possibly referring to the report in the Times today that was discussed on this thread this morning.

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Hancock adds that the UK's flu vaccination programme is upgraded every year to make sure it is as effective as possible against new variants.

He says he hopes the government will be able to get the coronavirus jab to the same place and it will become "something people have as standard".

Can practically taste Sridhar's tears. greggy.png

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1 hour ago, Burnieman said:

Well you've read renton's post above detailing what's being rolled out today and over the next couple of weeks, then you should realise that they're ramping up as from today, let's see where we are in a couple of weeks.

I've been reading those sort of claims for several weeks already as well.

The reality here is that a large section of posters on this thread are only interested in kicking the can down the road long enough until the SG eventually gets its act together and they can sweep all prior piss-poor performance under the carpet.

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26 minutes ago, madwullie said:

 

This tracking the precise number of jags per day is utterly pointless. Almost wish they'd just release weekly figures but that'd no doubt not be good enough either. 

As long as the UK as a whole is hitting their targets then this is an argument about not very much

And this sort of simpering nonsense confirms the above point. 

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