doulikefish Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, gav-ffc said: Offered not administered? Comes from an interview on sky news this morning with Helen Whatley she skipped around that bit aswell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Interesting. The SG's roll out looks even worse now. 'Offered' is unusual wording. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Offered not administered?I don't think this has been clarified anywhere and there was a qualification in the guardian reporting which suggested there was a group that were not being offered the vaccine at this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Offered not administered?Like mailed tests counted as real tests. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: Just to give a bit further context to this, he's purely talking in a sense of DURING vaccine rollout. Not in a vaccinated world. I think most people would probably agree that this is a sensible approach. Yeah he said that in the video. Looks like this question is starting to get asked more often around the world which is good. Will have the effect of both keeping expectations under control (and explaining WHY), but show a bit more light at the end of the tunnel in the short to medium term Edited February 1, 2021 by madwullie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Snafu said: I was unaware this is a competition. Maybe the actual vaccination program should be more on peoples minds than who looks bad or who looks good. It's about saving lives not a talent contest. Well... no. The SG have defended (and been defended on) how slow their roll out has been by saying they were prioritising care homes first. England, on the other hand, appear to have managed to get through much more per capita whilst also managing to get through their care homes too. When your flagship defence is exposed for the smokescreen it is, then criticism is absolutely fair. Ive said it before but it genuinely is staggering how far people are willing to bend over backwards to avoid criticising the SG. Edited February 1, 2021 by Todd_is_God 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 GDP figures from ONS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Well... no. The SG have defended (and been defended on) how slow their roll out has been by saying they were prioritising care homes first. England, on the other hand, appear to have managed to get through much more per capita whilst also managing to get through their care homes too. When your flagship defence is exposed for the smokescreen it is, then criticism is absolutely fair. Ive said it before but it's genuinely is staggering how far people are willing to bend over backwards to avoid criticising the SG. Has it actually gotten through their care homes or are you just managing the narrative on your own based "offered to"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Well... no. The SG have defended (and been defended on) how slow their roll out has been by saying they were prioritising care homes first. England, on the other hand, appear to have managed to get through much more per capita whilst also managing to get through their care homes too. When your flagship defence is exposed for the smokescreen it is, then criticism is absolutely fair. Ive said it before but it's genuinely is staggering how far people are willing to bend over backwards to avoid criticising the SG. Tbf, the Scottish approach was defendable at the time, it's the lack of ramping up in comparison over the past week or so that's the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Snafu said: I was unaware this is a competition. Maybe the actual vaccination program should be more on peoples minds than who looks bad or who looks good. It's about saving lives not a talent contest. A faster roll out saves lives, and quickens restrictions easing. Literally no idea why people wanting a faster rollout has been likened to a talent contest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, GiGi said: Has it actually gotten through their care homes or are you just managing the narrative on your own based "offered to"? "Offered to" to me means exactly that. If someone says no thanks, or can't have it because they currently have, or recently had, covid then they obviously won't have been vaccinated, but that's the same as here and therefore irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Has there been any data published on refusal rates amongst the age groups being vaccinated currently? Inevitably there will be missed appointments as well. I'd imagine over 80s are less likely to refuse a vaccine on the basis of half-baked conspiracy theories, but it would be good to know what the refusal rate is and if it's in line with expectations. 20% of staff in care homes refusing is unfortunately quite alarming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: "Offered to" to me means exactly that. If someone says no thanks, or can't have it because they currently have, or recently had, covid then they obviously won't have been vaccinated, but that's the same as here and therefore irrelevant. So everyone in care homes in England, that wanted it, have been vaccinated? Well done to NHS England if that's the case but this looks like reach to continue your wee daily rant tbh. FWIW I'm also unhappy about the speed of the vaccine rollout in Scotland and pies need to be booted until we're hitting a capacity that will see us all jabbed by April but you post on here about 'the cult' every single day even though I don't see that vociferous a defence of Scot Gov's performance here at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 What medical conditions preclude people from taking the vaccine? I'd assume that more elderly people might have a condition that would mean they can't take it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 ‘Offered’ could mean they’re booked in for an appointment in three weeks time. A relatively useless phrase but I’m willing to bet we’ll start seeing it here as well if (when?) the SG are looking like wildly missing the mid-Feb target. We had the ‘start of Feb’ target for an estimated 555,000 people from JCVI groups 1 & 2 (care homes, NHS workers, over 80s). Using raw numbers we’re at 566k as of close of play Saturday 30th Jan. I’m sure there’ll be some individuals to be picked up over the next week but we can probably say the target there is hit. Hooray. We need to be at broadly 40k per day from now on though to get through Groups 3 & 4 by ‘mid Feb’. I’ve used Monday 15th Feb as the finishing date. 580,000 people (more than we’ve done in total so far). I just don’t see it happening at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: "Offered to" to me means exactly that. If someone says no thanks, or can't have it because they currently have, or recently had, covid then they obviously won't have been vaccinated, but that's the same as here and therefore irrelevant. Or the most likely scenario, it's been offered to them but won't actually be administered for another couple of weeks, which would make it entirely relevant. There are multiple reasons to criticise the SG's management of the rollout without massively reaching like this. We don't judge the SG's progress based on how many letters have been sent, we judge it on how many people have actually been vaccinated. Therefore if you're making a comparison to somewhere else you compare to how many have been vaccinated as well, not how many have been 'offered' one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Paco said: We need to be at broadly 40k per day from now on though to get through Groups 3 & 4 by ‘mid Feb’. I’ve used Monday 15th Feb as the finishing date. 580,000 people (more than we’ve done in total so far). I just don’t see it happening at all. No idea how much impact they'll have on numbers, but the mass vaccination centres around the country seem to be opening today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Dunning1874 said: Or the most likely scenario, it's been offered to them but won't actually be administered for another couple of weeks, which would make it entirely relevant. There are multiple reasons to criticise the SG's management of the rollout without massively reaching like this. We don't judge the SG's progress based on how many letters have been sent, we judge it on how many people have actually been vaccinated. Therefore if you're making a comparison to somewhere else you compare to how many have been vaccinated as well, not how many have been 'offered' one. Reaching whilst telling someone else they are reaching is quite a tactic tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 'The events leading up to the Second World War do not include the Second World War' 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 That's the isle of man just binned mask wearing and social distancing. the likes of Australia may have gotten a bit jittery with their lockdown in perth over 1 case but they too had been able to enjoy the old normal for many months. it's good news for the rest of us, because the more countries that allow normality to return , the more people will begin to demand it here. They won't be able to use the " it's the same everywhere else" line any more 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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