madwullie Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: As someone asked a few pages back is the reduction in infections due to the vaccine or the lockdown? I guess no one knows. I saw this yesterday which is a bit beyond me stats wise, but seems to.imply both 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Left Back said: EU now allegedly backing down on blocking vaccine shipments to NI to close down the “back door” route to the UK. That escalated then de-escalated quickly. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55865539 The fact that Ireland told the EU they'd f***** up (they probably used more diplomatic language than that) probably helped. And the EU didn't "back down". It's only the UK who backs down. The EU showed "statemanship". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 https://mobile.twitter.com/NHS_Lothian/status/1355224205856546819 EICC setup for vaccinations. Seems like they should be able to ramp up vaccination rates with these types of venues now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 Are we starting to see herd immunity effects? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I find it peculiar, troubling even, that the announcement of high efficacy in not one, but two vaccines in the last 24 hours, that will 'soon' (using some of Sturgeon's favourite open-ended language myself there) be available to the Scottish public, hasn't been deemed fit for comment by the First Minister. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Steven W said: I find it peculiar, troubling even, that the announcement of high efficacy in not one, but two vaccines in the last 24 hours, that will 'soon' (using some of Sturgeon's favourite open-ended language myself there) be available to the Scottish public, hasn't been deemed fit for comment by the First Minister. What do you think her motive is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 hours ago, madwullie said: ... I mean, there's a drive here to ignore the new mutations stuff, but looking at it honestly and objectively these variants (and yep, potential undiscovered variants) ARE a cause for concern, ... There are people posting on here who are scientifically literate so you are going to encounter perspectives that differ from tabloid level fear porn. Viruses mutate. There were always going to be variants and a need over time to adjust the vaccines to reflect that. The real cause for concern would be something different enough from the Wuhan bat soup patient zero virus type to be referred to as a new strain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, madwullie said: What do you think her motive is? I don't know. Like I say I find it peculiar. These jags will end up in Scottish arms so I thought it would be worthy of comment. There does seem to be an undercurrent of being more 'enthusiastic' about negative stories. But quite why, I haven't an earthly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 There are people posting on here who are scientifically literate so you are going to encounter perspectives that differ from tabloid level fear porn. Viruses mutate. There were always going to be variants and a need over time to adjust the vaccines to reflect that. The real cause for concern would be something different enough from the Wuhan bat soup patient zero virus type to be referred to as a new strain.Even then, wasnt the problem with Pfizer and Moderna that mRNA vaccines were experimental up until that point? Arent they themselves a game changer for vaccine development in the future? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I don't know. Like I say I find it peculiar. These jags will end up in Scottish arms so I thought it would be worthy of comment. There does seem to be an undercurrent of being more 'enthusiastic' about negative stories. But quite why, I haven't an earthly.I presume the fact that these are 3+ months away from being ready to use and not even approved yet would explain why she's not calling a special press conference about it. Vaccines 4 and 5 don't merit quite the same reaction as vaccine 1 or 2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: Even then, wasnt the problem with Pfizer and Moderna that mRNA vaccines were experimental up until that point? Arent they themselves a game changer for vaccine development in the future? ...my understanding is that the new vaccine technology that is making it through the more streamlined emergency approval process is a lot easier to repurpose than traditional approaches would have been. That could have very positive consequences elsewhere in medical terms in the years ahead once the novel delivery system involved has been proven safe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I find it peculiar, troubling even, that the announcement of high efficacy in not one, but two vaccines in the last 24 hours, that will 'soon' (using some of Sturgeon's favourite open-ended language myself there) be available to the Scottish public, hasn't been deemed fit for comment by the First Minister. Sturgeon must CONDEMN! -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 ...my understanding is that the new vaccine technology that is making it through the more streamlined emergency approval process is a lot easier to repurpose than traditional approaches would have been. That could have very positive consequences elsewhere in medical terms in the years ahead once the novel delivery system involved has been proven safe.Yeah, I'm certainly not among the scientifically literate but the stuff I have read about that technology seems to suggest to me that it will be much easier to create a vaccine for a given pathogen using it, and now that these two kicked the door open re them being used in the mainstream, it's going to be common in the future 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Sturgeon must CONDEMN! ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Interesting that the Irish government are distancing (no pun intended) themselves from the idea of zero covid, highlighting the impracticality of it when you have land borders and geographic proximity (sea or no sea) to other countries.Also interesting was the comments there is no guarantee of success and to get even close would be unsustainable. The exact same limitations apply to Scotland, really.Given that Varadkar is actually a doctor as well as the tanaiste (who I believe did some medical work last year in addition to being taoiseach at the time), I think his comments are well worth listening to. It supports the sentiment amongst a few of us that zero covid is, on paper, a good way to eliminate the virus in lieu of vaccinations but not a necessary nor sustainable policy now we have said vaccinations. I'm not so sure Sturgeon would come out and make similar comments, but it would be nice to hear her asked in the briefings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 39 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Are we starting to see herd immunity effects? Once the numbers on new cases peak and start dipping it's inherently because the virus is no longer finding enough new hosts to keep exponential growth going because herd immunity effects are kicking in. Lockdown measures suppress R0 so the more you lockdown the easier it will be for the virus to start spreading again when regulations are relaxed in the absence of a vaccine. There was always likely to be a "second wave" once pubs and schools were opened and people were flying to Shagaluf again in other words. Until healthy under 50s also get vaccinated there will still be plenty of scope for community spread once society normalises but the vast majority of it will be mild or asymptomatic and no cause for alarm. The politicians need to start explaining this and it is worrying that they are not. Zero COVID is a fantasy in Scotland in the short to medium term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 ?Made as much sense as your mewling nonsense. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I find it peculiar, troubling even, that the announcement of high efficacy in not one, but two vaccines in the last 24 hours, that will 'soon' (using some of Sturgeon's favourite open-ended language myself there) be available to the Scottish public, hasn't been deemed fit for comment by the First Minister. Possibly because she hasn't appeared at the daily briefing since they were announced. Jeezo man lighten up just a little bit on the doom and gloom stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I have seen a couple of times on SM this morning quotes attributed to Macron along the lines of AZ being next to useless for over 60s and totally useless for over 70s. I am assuming this is "fake news" given the current sensitivity surrounding the whole issue ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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