Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, itzdrk said: More than you would imagine is my guess, the queues at these places are a disgrace from my walking past experience. Again, any evidence at all that going for a takeaway coffee increases the number of positive cases ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I don't know why people are still debating with a Covid denier who said this was over as a public health crisis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 The statistics showed that Dec 17 was the deadliest day since the start of the pandemic with 116 deaths, surpassing as previous peak of 115 daily deaths set in April. That record is out of dateThey’ve broken 270 since then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Again, any evidence at all that going for a takeaway coffee increases the number of positive cases ? No evidence whatsoever other than what I've witnessed from the shambles queues blocking pavements walking by as I said. Some places will be better than others and some will be a disgrace, certainly locally the hatch type places seem to be the worst for folk turning it into a hanging about type event. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, 101 said: Ave. Age 41.1 40.3 Poverty 16% 20% but absolute poverty is higher in the UK Overweight adults 43% 60% Unemployment 6% Diversity largest non EU groups (Syria, Iraq, Iran) 2.2% Asian Brits alone make up 6% A third of the population in Sweden have one parent born abroad. It's far more diverse than the UK and that also makes the comparisons to Norway and Finland outdated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Just now, itzdrk said: No evidence whatsoever other than what I've witnessed from the shambles queues blocking pavements walking by as I said. Some places will be better than others and some will be a disgrace, certainly locally the hatch type places seem to be the worst for folk turning it into a hanging about type event. I wasn't having a go at you. I just don't think anecdotal experiences are enough for the government to create policies on. If it can be scientifically proven that people are spreading the disease by standing in queues at cafes, then by all means close take away places down completely. If though it's just another attack on the hospitality industry....which seems to be the first and easiest target of any government policy....then the government should be explaining their reasoning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: A third of the population in Sweden have one parent born abroad. It's far more diverse than the UK and that also makes the comparisons to Norway and Finland outdated. But when talking about Covid it's only really relevant if they are BEM who are more likely to die. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 That's my gran who is 80 and lives at home getting the vaccine at the weekend. In Helensburgh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 So thats the Ozzies calling for the halting the of the roll out of the Oxford (dont forget to mention its from Oxford, gstq, watp) Vaccine because its apparently not any use.... f**k knows whats gonna happen if thats the case. Anyway, increased controls tomorrow should be implemented along with Jeane Freeman’s resignation on her failure to get the vaccination efforts up and running and overseeing advice that said ‘aye just huv xmas with yer granny’. Stop blaming the public for the mess you told them they could get themselves into. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: Does Sweden have curbs on indoor house gatherings? 8 in a public gathering and is also the recommended amount for a private gathering...but no more than 4 to a table. The swedes i know have basically put themselves n lockdown and from what i see on there social media they just visit parents/kids much like ourselves outdoors as they dont tend to enter homes for the visit.All been wfh since feb last year apart from my mate in gothenburg as he works for the council as a lorry driver Edited January 12, 2021 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Last time I checked I don't think so. There are limits on gatherings in public buildings but not your own home. Swedish guidlines are all here and the parent page of this one. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/regulations-and-general-guidelines/ As far as I can see they don't specify anything about your own home. They don't even specify numbers, only talking about a "small circle" which they acknowledge will be different for everyone. Edit: although I don't know how up to date this is. @doulikefishseems to know more about specific numbers Edited January 12, 2021 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: That record is out of date They’ve broken 270 since then When? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, doulikefish said: 8 in a public gathering and is also the recommended amount for a private gathering...but no more than 4 to a table. The swedes i know have basically put themselves n lockdown and from what i see on there social media they just visit parents/kids much like ourselves outdoors as they dont tend to enter homes for the visit.All been wfh since feb last year apart from my mate in gothenburg as he works for the council as a lorry driver The point isn't about what they are doing now, it's about what we, and they, did in the Spring and Summer. Despite everything we did and spent to supposedly avoid the exact scenario we find ourselves in, we are there. What we did was damaging, and hugely expensive, but has ultimately not produced a different result. It's absolutely fair to question the effectiveness of restrictions in the Spring and Summer when faced with the very real prospect of following the same blueprint again. Rather than looking at it as a black and white right vs wrong approach, it's more looking properly at what, if anything, actually works? Edited January 12, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Detournement said: A third of the population in Sweden have one parent born abroad. It's far more diverse than the UK and that also makes the comparisons to Norway and Finland outdated. That’s one fertile foreigner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 A third of the population in Sweden have one parent born abroad. It's far more diverse than the UK and that also makes the comparisons to Norway and Finland outdated. Aye, Sweden's diversity is well documented and explains why they are an outlier in many statistics but have a wander around Oslo and you'll see Norway aren't far behind, about 10% Asian and 5% African. 40% of Oslo primary school children have a mother tongue other than Norwegian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Snafu said: I was brought up in Thatcher's Britain a teenage punk, listening to punk bands like Crass, Subhumans and Discharge, then Napalm Death and ENT Nothing to add to this topic, other than that you have superb taste in music. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, madwullie said: Swedish guidlines are all here and the parent page of this one. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/covid-19/regulations-and-general-guidelines/ As far as I can see they don't specify anything about your own home. They don't even specify numbers, only talking about a "small circle" which they acknowledge will be different for everyone. Edit: although I don't know how up to date this is. @doulikefishseems to know more about specific numbers I missed out what is probably the most important bit the police there now have the powers to break up public gatherings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Snafu said: I was brought up in Thatcher's Britain a teenage punk, listening to punk bands like Crass, Subhumans and Discharge, then Napalm Death and ENT, going to free festivals and sleeping on other people's floors, unsure of what the future holds, no plans and little ambition. Worked in a health shop for a short time in the mid eighties and there were lots of CND leaflets which I would read on my break, 'Oh Inverness targeted by the Soviets for an airburst because its a communication center, that's nice'. The 80's were more stable than many in the west took for granted at the time as the old Soviet guard started to die off and be replaced with leaders with a more progressive outlook. The 80's then were nothing compared to the 60's and the paranoia around the time of the Cuban missile crisis, my Dad remembered the RAF being on full alert and in the air going back and fore around the Highland capital and the airbases at Lossie and Kinloss, it was very grim for a few days, we came very close and it wasn't the Russians that we were worried about it was the trigger happy USA we had to watch out for to kick it off. They had shown the world in 1945 what they were capable of, no one else had gone that far. Linking up to the current topic there was an animated film shown during the 80's about an old couple who followed the government guidelines, a few pamphlets on how to get through a nuclear strike, these were the instructions of the time and they were ludicrous and of no help in the end. I remember the film Threads as well, gave me nightmares. Do we trust our governments to be giving out the correct advice? Yeah, Threads is pure nightmare fuel. When the Wind Blows is not much better. Ironically in the 80s you had this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 Which ended up probably being an even closer call than the Cuban Missile crisis. One side was hallucinating and the other wasn't paying attention. Would have been a real whoopsie. The whole world incinerated over a misunderstanding and no one left standing afterwards would have known why. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Haven't seen Threads in years. Can mind reading that the post-apocalyptic scenes were set in Airdrie so they didn't have to build any sets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: So thats the Ozzies calling for the halting the of the roll out of the Oxford (dont forget to mention its from Oxford, gstq, watp) Vaccine because its apparently not any use.... Where are you seeing that? 25 minutes ago, Snafu said: I was brought up in Thatcher's Britain a teenage punk, listening to punk bands like Crass, Subhumans and Discharge, then Napalm Death and ENT, going to free festivals If it was a choice between listening to Crass and getting radiation poisoning is take the radiation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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