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Not sure whether to post this in here or the Guitarist thread. Apparently conspiracy theorists are posting a circuit diagram for the 5G chip that's going to be in the covid vaccine (obviously) but its actually for the Boss Metal Zone distortion pedal...

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/conspiracy-theorists-share-schematic-for-5g-chip-they-claim-is-implanted-in-covid-19-vaccines-only-its-actually-for-the-boss-metal-zone

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Schools may act as 'vectors for transmission'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55527195

The prime minister says he "completely understands the inconvenience and distress" the disruption to education will cause parents and pupils.

But he says the government has been doing "everything in our power to keep schools open” because of the importance of education to children’s life chances.

"The problem is not that schools are unsafe for children," he says, adding that children are still very unlikely to be severely affected even by the new variant of Covid.

But he says schools may act as "vectors for transmission", causing the virus to spread between households.

Took you fucking long enough to work that out you floppy haired jobbie.

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15 minutes ago, virginton said:

This isn't actually a March-style lockdown, the list of acceptable reasons to leave the house is about a mile long in Scotland and that clown is even keeping garden centres open as noted above. The big change is that after five months their policy on schools has finally entered the realm of reality, though deferring instruction rather than remote learning is the better solution.

I don't think we are done with these announcements though and there'll be something extra coming down the chute before the month's out.

Can see them banning the sale of alcohol tbh

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Not a silver bullet if you want a zero covid world maybe. Most definitely a silver bullet for returning peoples lives to how they were before and treating covid as barely different to the flu.
Not sure you can say that its safe for anyone. The flu is different from SARS isnt it?
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On the vaccines, yeah it's great we're third in the world behind Israel & Bahrain in how many we've vaccinated so far, but we were the first country in the world to start vaccinations. And obviously the important bit is getting all those vulnerable to serious ill-health and death vaccinated, but it's pretty sobering to hear vaccinating the full adult population of the UK will take two years to complete, if we are vaccinating 1 million a week. 6 years at the current rate. 😲

 

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Not sure you can say that its safe for anyone. The flu is different from SARS isnt it?
Well given the no doubt millions of people who have had it in the UK alone, a huge number of whom have been asymptomatic which is the crux of the difficulty in tackling it, I think you can say it's safe for the majority of people to catch covid, just like it's safe for the majority of people to catch flu. Horrible, yeah. Worthy of telling people they are not allowed to socialise in person with other humans? Maybe not for me tbh.
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On 21/12/2020 at 19:03, virginton said:

the overriding question should be 'How do we best resolve the public health problem of a disease outbreak'? rather than 'How do we ensure our measures are fair for our politically important interest groups?' It is this triangulating nonsense - being carried out by piss-poor political leaders - that explains why the UK has made roaring c**t of it time and time again this year, with no end in sight to its clown running across a minefield display. 

 

On 21/12/2020 at 19:06, Granny Danger said:

Millions of working parents with school age cannot just magic up child minding.  The fact that you do not understand this should inform how people treat your posts.

 

 

On 21/12/2020 at 21:20, Billy Jean King said:

It's your ascertain that employers simply allow mass annual leave that is staggering in it's naievity. You know these same employers who your championing to survive.

Go ask your boss tomorrow for annual leave up to 18 January and come back and tell us how it goes. More so when he gets that request times x number of employees with kids.

Climb down from your crumbling ivory tower and live life in the real world just for once.

 

On 21/12/2020 at 21:35, Rugster said:

With 21 days notice given to the employer, yes, you can request parental leave. It is not a guarantee that you will get it. 
 

Your employer does not have to agree to furlough you.

 

An employer can deny annual leave. 
 

You cannot take indefinite unpaid leave, you can ask for it, the employer must consider it, but does not have to grant it.
 

Swing and a miss, champ, thanks for playing, come back when you’re living in the real world. 

 

On 21/12/2020 at 22:08, Jambomo said:

You also have to be fair to those who don’t have kids, other people may need leave as well, not just the parents and annual leave only goes so far - this could go well beyond January.

As an example, I’m in a team of 6 and 3 of them have kids. Two are single parents and one is married to a key worker so the chances are high they’d all need time off. We’d have normally two off at a time so not only can all those who need holidays for childcare not get off but nor could anyone else. There would be no allowance for sickness absence which would be ridiculous management in the midst of a pandemic. 

 You haven’t thought this through at all, it’s a terrible idea.

 

On 21/12/2020 at 22:27, virginton said:

What's telling about this is that if the SG had gone ahead with its blended learning model then you'd already have been facing this dilemma since August all the way through until now. The problem then is not 'my idea' - which oh btw seems to be coming down the chute going by Johnson's non-committal answer this evening - it is the fact that your team is not fit for purpose when it comes to addressing childcare needs. Either temporary cover is needed to cover this eventuality or you will simply have to run a skeleton service or none at all. The schools were off for three months earlier this year and get a further ten weeks off every so quite why you (collectively) didn't see this problem arising is a mystery. 

Turns out that 'view from the ivory tower' - such is the benefit of an elevated viewpoint - in fact provided a fortnight's advance notice of the UK governments' inevitable concession today. You can in fact close schools in the middle of a pandemic and oblige parents/businesses to make it work.

Welcome to life in the real world guys! 

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3 minutes ago, s_dog said:

On the vaccines, yeah it's great we're third in the world behind Israel & Bahrain in how many we've vaccinated so far, but we were the first country in the world to start vaccinations. And obviously the important bit is getting all those vulnerable to serious ill-health and death vaccinated, but it's pretty sobering to hear vaccinating the full adult population of the UK will take two years to complete, if we are vaccinating 1 million a week. 6 years at the current rate. 😲

 

Yes it is sobering and of course we should get carried away but the vaccine is more then 90% effective and there are single shot vaccines coming on stream shortly which immediately halves you time scales. these are worst case projections and of course important to know that it won't be don't by February but 900,000 vaccinations by the end of Jan for a country like Scotland would be an incredible achievement. 

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Well given the no doubt millions of people who have had it in the UK alone, a huge number of whom have been asymptomatic which is the crux of the difficulty in tackling it, I think you can say it's safe for the majority of people to catch covid, just like it's safe for the majority of people to catch flu. Horrible, yeah. Worthy of telling people they are not allowed to socialise in person with other humans? Maybe not for me tbh.
Dont disagree but passing it on is the thing that bothers me. Plus I've seen a family member have their life destroyed due to a lung disease so I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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2 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:
6 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
Well given the no doubt millions of people who have had it in the UK alone, a huge number of whom have been asymptomatic which is the crux of the difficulty in tackling it, I think you can say it's safe for the majority of people to catch covid, just like it's safe for the majority of people to catch flu. Horrible, yeah. Worthy of telling people they are not allowed to socialise in person with other humans? Maybe not for me tbh.

Dont disagree but passing it on is the thing that bothers me. Plus I've seen a family member have their life destroyed due to a lung disease so I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Neither would I. I wouldnt wish death of flu on anyone, but I also wouldnt expect to be told to put my life on indefinite hold to prevent it. 

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For me April all outdoor settings re open face coverings in thoroughfares and hand sanitiser upon entry and exit with the app still being promoted from May indoor settings with 2m distancing reducing to 1m in the 3rd week of May and then early June take a look and see how hospitalisations and public compliance with self isolation are going if hospitalisations are really low and people if they are positive or close contact are self isolating then by 20th of June hopefully it's just reminding people to wash their hands no go out if they have symptoms and we can have a fairly normal life.


Any chance of a full stop?
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15 minutes ago, virginton said:

 

 

 

 

 

Turns out that 'view from the ivory tower' - such is the benefit of an elevated viewpoint - in fact provided a fortnight's advance notice of the UK governments' inevitable concession today. You can in fact close schools in the middle of a pandemic and oblige parents/businesses to make it work.

Welcome to life in the real world guys! 

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You were talking about people using annual or parental leave to stay off to look after kids. That’s isn’t what’s happening.

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Not sure whether to post this in here or the Guitarist thread. Apparently conspiracy theorists are posting a circuit diagram for the 5G chip that's going to be in the covid vaccine (obviously) but its actually for the Boss Metal Zone distortion pedal...

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/conspiracy-theorists-share-schematic-for-5g-chip-they-claim-is-implanted-in-covid-19-vaccines-only-its-actually-for-the-boss-metal-zone
I'm a total mosher and even I think that's the worst effects pedal ever so I can see why people think it's being used for something else...
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58 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Elite sport, including the Premier League, in England suspended. I assume we will do the same up here.

Do we have enough time to complete our fixtures up here, including the playoffs, before the Euros if we follow suit?

 a moot question seeing as Sky got it wrong, but the fact the 19/20 cup was played in the 20/21 season would probably mean theyd finish this season before starting another one. As it should 

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Swinney showing his ignorance/incompetence again. Earlier he urged the SFA to look into Celtic's trip to Dubai. Celtic have responded by saying that not only did Holyrood know about the trip, they gave permission for it to go ahead as far back as 12th November

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9 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Neither would I. I wouldnt wish death of flu on anyone, but I also wouldnt expect to be told to put my life on indefinite hold to prevent it. 

A good time to remind everyone that if everyone washed their hands properly 1 million less people would die from diarrheic disease and I would imagine it would probably be a couple of thousand world wide from the flu. 

One thing I hope that remains is hand washing facilities going in and out of shops

Just now, Aufc said:

 


Any chance of a full stop?

 

nah its all one sentence 

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6 hours ago, DiegoDiego said:


Over a third of the population are elderly or vulnerable? Some fucking country we live in.

43% of Scots are classified as disabled or chronically ill

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211335516300894

 

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Since the 1950′s, Scottish life expectancy has improved more slowly than in other comparably wealthy nations. Furthermore, 43% of adults are classified as chronically ill or disabled and, despite medical advances, all-cause mortality in younger age categories (15–44 years) remains non-declining at a rate of 142.4 deaths per 100,000 (Bromley and Shelton, 2010). In addition, current suicide rates are 50% higher than in 1968 (Whyte and Ajetunmobi, 2010), obesity is on the rise, and general levels of physical activity are diminishing (Scottish Government and Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, 2010). As a consequence of this poor health record, and mortality rates persistently higher than European averages, Scotland has been dubbed ‘the sick man of Europe’, and the phenomenon of these unexplained health disparities labelled the ‘Scottish effect’ (Bromley and Shelton, 2010, Shelton, 2009, Whyte and Ajetunmobi, 2010).

 

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