10menwent2mow Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Yes, with the rate at which cases can multiply if left unchecked, and potentially overwhelming hospital capacity. Nothing lasts for ever though, and hopefully the vaccines will sort it soon.This is unsustainable for businesses though, hospitality chief among them. Its bad enough for staff to be going back and forth onto 80% wages but businesses literally don't know from one day to the next whether to order stock, how much to order, whether to take bookings or not. Moving Aberdeen from 2 to 3 last week wouldve meant a shitload of places having to cancel Christmas dinners or people cancelling themselves. It's like the fucking hokey cokey for hospitality and they are by no means the only ones suffering. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Gaz said: Isn't Sturgeon a Hibs fan? kara_hibbee IMO Nah she's an Ayr fan (or says Ayr are her team; I don't think she's much in to football). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Nah she's an Ayr fan (or says Ayr are her team; I don't think she's much in to football). She might not be into the football much but she went to games with a wedge cut and ballgame dungaress, she bricked our bus outside Somerset in the 80's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: She might not be into the football much but she went to games with a wedge cut and ballgame dungaress, she bricked our bus outside Somerset in the 80's Deserved IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Once the first 6 or 7 priority groups have been vaccinated then we should all be living in the equivalent of tier 0 nationwide at a bare minimum.I agree 100% with this. We just need to make sure we don’t “crash the car” getting to that point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Speculation too that this new strain may spread more easily in children - only hypothetical atm, but the woman I heard speaking on the radio earlier said it was biologically plausible, to do with how the spikes attach to the ace thingmys, and seemingly these are expressed differently in children, and therefore easier for the virus to infect children. Obvs children don't get anywhere near as sick anywhere near as frequently as other age groups, but it could have knock on effects for teachers and other adults working in schools. If this is shown to be the case (and as a layman this might go some way to explaining the noticeably different age group infection rates in the South East and up here) then while we're all getting jabbed, it wouldn't be surprising if schools were treated differently this time round. Yes - when the facts change, so should our opinions. As I’ve said before, there is risk to everything, and benefits need to be weighed against them. Where the risk increases, the corresponding benefit needs to be recalculated. However, this is still speculation, so I’m happy to stick with the current course of action until it is shown that a change is needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 I agree 100% with this. We just need to make sure we don’t “crash the car” getting to that point. The longer it goes on for though, the more you feel they will continue to shift the goalposts. I really can't see, even if cases are at a similar level to what they were a couple of weeks back, the govt just going from lockdown (let's not call it tier 4, because its essentially lockdown) to tiers 1 and 2. Having the vaccination, I can see the govt saying that cases need to be even lower than they were a couple of weeks back to justify tiers 1 and 2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Got a link? I've read through a few different publications of theirs on the subjects over different time periods. Be nice to see which assumptions they were modelling for.I’m sure this question was asked last night during the same discussion. The facts weren’t forthcoming then, so I can’t see why they would be now. All you need to know is School = 0.4. Apparently from SAGE, but no nuance, no backup, no assumptions. Take your telling from the big man! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Detournement said: Can anyone see these Sage documents that only seemed to become public knowledge right after Christmas got cancelled in the SE? The SAGE analysis was published months ago and is already in this thread, I'm not rummaging around to bump the post for the 17th time tbqhwy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 The uk is now changing the game in a way resembling Barcelona under guardiola , if they keep up at this pace they’ll be simply unplayable.Ok it’s not funny anymore Going by today’s cases iy looks like they really have lost control again and if a lockdown is necessary again then this isn’t the time to be doing half a job, last time round a proper lockdown with schools shut made cases drop like a stone. England opened up to quick and the travel corridors were quite ineffective. This time get it suppressed properly and make sure that there is a proper quarantine for international arrivals, in a hotel with security on the door. Right now 90% of us would take normality at home with no foreign travel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Clownshoes has got a new advert 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 That article mentions estates and med records staff. If they're working in the "red zones" or whatever that hospital is calling their covid area then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be eligible for the vaccine on the same basis as the nursing staff working in the same environment tbh. My cousin works in medical records and can be in and out of lots of wards on the same day, same goes for the maintenance staff who would be classed as estates. Fair enough that they get a jab, different matter for management who don't leave the office though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 hours ago, coprolite said: I'd imagine some fast track management trainee just emailed a spreadsheet round telling people to book their own slot. People sitting at their desks would be able to book straightaway, whereas clinical and care staff might have had to finish inserting tubes and the like first. I don't think people appreciate quite how important estates management is to the current crisis. You'd all be complaining if all the lighbulbs went and weren't replaced. Oh aye, HR, Facilities, Corporate Support, Secretariat, Executive Office etc whatever they are called in any organisation are the backbone and the beating heart of that institution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Yes exactly. If the stories people have said on this thread about senior managers getting vaccinated ahead of frontline clinical/estates/domestic/med records etc staff are true, that's not on. No health board is that poorly run though. No idea why you are so adamant about this, but fair enough, choose to believe that if you want. It’s a fact that non-patient facing administration staff booked vaccines before nurses and doctors in my local health board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Yes exactly. If the stories people have said on this thread about senior managers getting vaccinated ahead of frontline clinical/estates/domestic/med records etc staff are true, that's not on. No health board is that poorly run though. Like I said, in the hospital I'm talking about, it was just a booking system, literally like getting Glastonbury tickets etc. Intranet only though, slots released in batches - only those on PCs at that exact moment were able to snag a slot by refreshing the page. No cross reference of staff member and role. Honest guv I'm not lying / scaremongering. Please believe me maaaan Edited December 22, 2020 by madwullie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Yes exactly. If the stories people have said on this thread about senior managers getting vaccinated ahead of frontline clinical/estates/domestic/med records etc staff are true, that's not on. No health board is that poorly run though. I mean wishaw general was all over the papers just yesterday because they've not been bothering to clean to the required standard since the pandemic began ffs Edited December 22, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, madwullie said: Like I said, in the hospital I'm talking about, it was just a booking system, literally like getting Glastonbury tickets etc. Intranet only though, tickets released in batches - only those on PCs at that exact moment were able to snag a ticket by refreshing the page. No cross reference of staff member and role. I don't understand that, just send out the appointments in order of risk priority and deal with complaints or schedule conflicts later. Otherwise you just store up a shitstorm for later. There will obviously be mistakes just banding people in categories but you can sort that out later. P.S. Too many "later"s. ed.. Edited December 22, 2020 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't understand that, just send out the appointments in order of risk priority and deal with complaints or schedule conflicts later. Otherwise you just store up a shitstorm for later. There will obviously be mistakes just banding people in categories but you can sort that out later. P.S. Too many "later"s. ed.. Dont disagree with a word of that. I suppose the only issue is with allied staff who occasionally have to go in wards. But it's hardly brain surgery to work out active nurses, doctors, facilities staff should all he done first 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: If the best you can do to back this up is that Record article then yes I will continue to disbelieve you. Really easy way for you to find out, do a very quick FOI request... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Clownshoes has got a new advertWhat happened to “be kind”? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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