welshbairn Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, jimmy boo said: 2 hours ago, madwullie said: The wife is an actual biomedical scientist for the NHS and just looked at me with incredulity when I said it would be good to have had the vaccine by March. "are you going to take it?" Bearing in mind I'm pretty high risk were I to catch it. There's not enough face-palm emojis to describe my feelings Is she saying you shouldn't take it then as your post doesn't make it clear. And if not why not? I was scared to ask. It does worry me a bit that they seem to be pushing emergency authorisation before the minimum stage of phase 3 testing is complete. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, mizfit said: So it would seem most areas in England are likely to come out of their lockdown and straight into the top tier of restrictions according to the BBC. What is it with the govt leaking this information at half 10 on a Saturday nigbt? Lockdown restrictions to be relaxed for a week for Christmas too. Another lockdown in January it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Would it even be worth many hospitality venues; bars, restaurants etc opening for a week or so? By time they restock and recall staff, time they arrange bookings for Christmas dinners etc but know the highly likely risk is they’ll be shut again come New Year, I just can’t see the business sense in bothering. It will be a tough sell punting Christmas dinners at £50+ a pop with no background music, possibly no beers or wine availability and folk told to “enjoy themselves” but more evidence of having to sit at your seat and more masks and gel than tinsel and turkey! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 59 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I was scared to ask. It does worry me a bit that they seem to be pushing emergency authorisation before the minimum stage of phase 3 testing is complete. She thinks its been pushed through too quickly, but she's not involved in that type of stuff professionally, and is more of the opinion it won't be properly tested, rushed through trials, vaccines should take years etc. I'll be getting it as soon as it looks safe. I suppose.by the time it gets to my turn plenty will have gone before me already. Still waiting for the flu jag tho so won't be holding my breath Edited November 21, 2020 by madwullie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Missus got a text today to tell her to isolate until 2nd December after one of the girls in her work tested positive yesterday.*Sent from my Galaxy A71 as I lie sprawled in our king size bed, while she is shacked up in the spare room. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, madwullie said: She thinks its been pushed through too quickly, but she's not involved in that type of a stuff professionally, and is more of the opinion it won't be properly tested, rushed through trials, vaccines should take years etc. I'll be getting it as soon as it looks safe. I suppose.by the time it gets to my turn plenty will have gone before me already. From what they're saying I should be one of the early guinea pigs in Scotland, I'll let you know how it goes. Benidorm or bust! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, madwullie said: She thinks its been pushed through too quickly, but she's not involved in that type of stuff professionally, and is more of the opinion it won't be properly tested, rushed through trials, vaccines should take years etc. I'll be getting it as soon as it looks safe. I suppose.by the time it gets to my turn plenty will have gone before me already. Still waiting for the flu jag tho so won't be holding my breath If you are at risk then take the vaccine as soon as you can. The technology for this vaccine has been developing over many years. The main accelerator of the development has been limitless funding. The science is sound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, deegee said: Would it even be worth many hospitality venues; bars, restaurants etc opening for a week or so? By time they restock and recall staff, time they arrange bookings for Christmas dinners etc but know the highly likely risk is they’ll be shut again come New Year, I just can’t see the business sense in bothering. It will be a tough sell punting Christmas dinners at £50+ a pop with no background music, possibly no beers or wine availability and folk told to “enjoy themselves” but more evidence of having to sit at your seat and more masks and gel than tinsel and turkey! There are places selling Christmas dinner packages on the Covid-lite Clyde Riviera, regardless of booze. The changes will surely focus on household gatherings - the majority of the Central Belt will just return to tier 3 hospitality from the 11th of December and will stay there until January. Three weeks of trading isn't nothing but I wouldn't blame any business for sitting it out either. It'll be interesting to see if the other areas outside tier 4 will continue to be reviewed in the weeks to come. The lockdown areas are presumably tied into that response but several areas are not too far off moving to tier 2 restrictions based on the case rates at the moment. Edited November 22, 2020 by vikingTON -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I agree the changes are intended to legitimise household gather which we all know will frankly happen regardless. However the changing tiers will directly affect businesses, whether barbers getting opened to give folk a trim or hotels who will need a fair bit effort and planning to make their offerings worthwhile and profitable. If we revert at Christmas to the existing tiers, unless you’re in tier 1 or 2, it’ll be well- nigh impossible to trade if you are in hospitality regardless of any tweaks or minor adjustments for Santa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 England is meant to leave the current restrictions on December 2 or something so they'd get a full month at whatever new tier system they devise and most businesses will attempt to restart. The week-long easing will probably be for household gatherings only so whatever a hotel is doing at the start of the month will still apply. Then again this is assuming logic and reason from governments that have failed on that score more than a few times already. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 This fucking lockdown man.Got me arguing with an old friend.One of us broke the law today.IKEA Braehead... what council area? Glasgow City or Renfrewshire?PS The right answer is gods country (not Glasgow). -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Relaxing the restrictions for a week at Christmas undermines the message that they have been pushing for the last nine months. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lex said: This fucking lockdown man. Got me arguing with an old friend. One of us broke the law today. IKEA Braehead... what council area? Glasgow City or Renfrewshire? PS The right answer is gods country (not Glasgow). Renfrewshire is an annexe of Glasgow anyway which is why your pandemic rates are identical M8. Edited November 22, 2020 by vikingTON -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, sparky88 said: Relaxing the restrictions for a week at Christmas undermines the message that they have been pushing for the last nine months. Let's not forget that the Westminster government were trying to cattle prod people back into the office to keep Pret and the Daily Mail in business just three months ago in August. There hasn't actually been a coherent message to undermine by now. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Renfrewshire is an annexe of Glasgow anyway which is why your pandemic rates are identical M8.Actually our rates are worse. Top of the league and you’re no, and all that.My question was who does IKEA pay their rates too? Glasgow or Renfrewshire...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 She thinks its been pushed through too quickly, but she's not involved in that type of stuff professionally, and is more of the opinion it won't be properly tested, rushed through trials, vaccines should take years etc. I'll be getting it as soon as it looks safe. I suppose.by the time it gets to my turn plenty will have gone before me already. Still waiting for the flu jag tho so won't be holding my breath This is what's been sold to me by my other half who is actually a scientist developing vaccines, she's shit scared about these vaccines because there is absolutely no way it can be properly tested in the time it's taken. Obviously the various governments across the world have decided that the severity of the virus outweighs the possible side effects that no one could possibly know about. Before anyone starts I'm not an anti-vaxer, I will be taking one but it is slightly worrying that it can take 15+ years to develop and test a vaccine and this has taken them less than a year to say these vaccines are safe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Academically Deficient Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Might have been mentioned earlier, but an interesting scientist on BBC radio on Thursday explained that the reason most vaccines take 10 years to get made and approved is because most of that time is taken up with: Convoluted application process for various grants. Finding sufficient nos. Of volunteers Admin Gate reviews Repeat until process is complete. He used the analogy of driving through London. The normal process takes ages even though the distance isn't great. What we have done here is empty the streets of traffic, turned all traffic lights green and provided a police escort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK_Queens Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 This fucking lockdown man.Got me arguing with an old friend.One of us broke the law today.IKEA Braehead... what council area? Glasgow City or Renfrewshire?PS The right answer is gods country (not Glasgow).SAA says Renfrewshire: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Setsniffer Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Lex said: This fucking lockdown man. Got me arguing with an old friend. One of us broke the law today. IKEA Braehead... what council area? Glasgow City or Renfrewshire? PS The right answer is gods country (not Glasgow). The council area thing has me a bit confused too, i can drive 4 miles from South Lanarkshire to North Lanarkshire to do my grocery shopping or stay in my council area and drive 11.5 miles, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, Academically Deficient said: Might have been mentioned earlier, but an interesting scientist on BBC radio on Thursday explained that the reason most vaccines take 10 years to get made and approved is because most of that time is taken up with: Convoluted application process for various grants. Finding sufficient nos. Of volunteers Admin Gate reviews Repeat until process is complete. He used the analogy of driving through London. The normal process takes ages even though the distance isn't great. What we have done here is empty the streets of traffic, turned all traffic lights green and provided a police escort. Was it this guy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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