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1 minute ago, Paco said:



What is this actually trying to achieve?

It's a pretence of having local restrictions while really basing policy on the fact that entire central belt is one interconnected economic region. 

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The first minister says last week saw a significant slowing in the rate at which new cases are increasing and that has continued.

Followed half an hour by;

However, the first minister warns: "I cannot rule out a move back to nationwide restrictions in the next few weeks, including at Level 4."

Losing the plot. And despite her protestations to the contrarory, is "enjoying" this

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Fife yesterday - 36 cases. Tier 2

Forth Valley (Falkirk, Stirling & Clacks all togther) 40 cases (hardly a difference). Tier 3

Forth Valley is getting the same to prevent the marauding hordes from North Lanarkshire coming for drinks.

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10 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It's a pretence of having local restrictions while really basing policy on the fact that entire central belt is one interconnected economic region. 

I wouldnt mind so much but they created a scoring system that didn't take into account all the things they actually did, so now it looks utterly random.

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1 minute ago, Steven W said:

The first minister says last week saw a significant slowing in the rate at which new cases are increasing and that has continued.

Followed half an hour by;

However, the first minister warns: "I cannot rule out a move back to nationwide restrictions in the next few weeks, including at Level 4."

Losing the plot. And despite her protestations to the contrarory, is "enjoying" this

I wonder if that's the equivalent "threat" of "If you don't shut up I'm turning the car around" to get people to comply.

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2 minutes ago, renton said:

I wouldnt mind so much but they created a scoring system that didn't take into account all the things they actually did, so now it looks utterly random.

But on the other hand it confirms that Fifers are in fact Tuechters. 

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1 minute ago, Steven W said:

Losing the plot. And despite her protestations to the contrarory, is "enjoying" this

I don't think so. She was absolutely loving it when things were going well and she could crow about how much better we were doing up here because we locked down longer.

Now, though, I get a sense that standing up everyday and making statement after statement about restrictions being implemented to achieve things she surely can't believe are likely to happen is taking its toll.

The adult conversation that she promised but never had might have allowed her a little more wiggle room.

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Will happily start building a wall at Errol, you fuckers in Dundee can have that lot.

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3 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Losing the plot. And despite her protestations to the contrarory, is "enjoying" this

She's enjoying the fact that 2754 people have died? Is that what you're saying Steven?

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6 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said:

Forth Valley is getting the same to prevent the marauding hordes from North Lanarkshire coming for drinks.

I don't imagine a mass exodus of people for the sake of a drink, if you need to buy a meal with it.

Much more likely to get a bag of cans and go to someone's house IMO.

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1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

She's enjoying the fact that 2754 people have died? Is that what you're saying Steven?

Aye. Aye thats what I'm saying

FFS....

("enjoying" was Sarah Smith's phase several months ago)

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Starved of watching football I now have an irrational urge to sneak into Moray and watch Burghead Thistle, Buckie Rovers or Dufftown...

Wish me luck getting past the ring of steel around the frontiers. I need Donald Pleasance to forge me the identify of a fermer from Cuminestown... 

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"Ma name is Dod Milne and I'm a fermer fae roond here. Fit like, fa's yer doo's, honest officer.." 

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Starved of watching football I now have an irrational urge to sneak into Moray and watch Burghead Thistle, Buckie Rovers or Dufftown...
Wish me luck getting past the ring of steel around the frontiers. I need Donald Pleasance to forge me the identify of a fermer from Cuminestown... 
86595462_stevemcqueen.thumb.jpg.eb939e679e88fd03031d66b7ec6572b4.jpg
"Ma name is Dod Milne and I'm a fermer fae roond here. Fit like, fa's yer doo's, honest officer.." 


I was up Moray last month and didn’t even realise I was parked next to Burghead thistles ground for about 10 minutes.

Cracking wee ground.

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The amount of people on social media that cant work out there has to be a border somewhere between tiers is tremendous.

Its either a border or we are all in level 3 

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14 minutes ago, Paco said:

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I have literally no idea what the strategy is here. Edinburgh indicators sit at 2-3-0-0-0, and have been placed in Tier 3 based seemingly on a moderately high (6%) test positivity rate. There is, according to the Scottish Government, zero chance of hospitals/ICU coming under threat in the next six weeks, with projected cases also believed to be zero threat.

Over the bridge in Fife, their indicators are 2-3-2-0-0. Similarly zero immediate threat to the NHS, but their case rates are deemed a Level 2 threat over the next six weeks, and they have a similar ‘3’ rating for test positivity rate.

Decision? Tier 2. What’s different between Fife and Edinburgh in this situation? There are, of course, similar contradictions all over the place. The Lanarkshires score a perfect 20 on the Scottish Government Scale of Panic, and yet remain at the same Tier as Edinburgh’s 5.

So we’re not being cautious, otherwise Lanarkshire and probably Glasgow would be in Tier 4, but equally we’re not laissez-faire as Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire and the Borders especially are a level above where they should be.

What is this actually trying to achieve?

It's poor form releasing the indicators alongside no clarification document re the decision making today. I suspect that this is probably deliberate though in an attempt to not bind themselves too rigidly to any position.

One thing that the tier indicators don't take into account is the interaction between the bordering areas - obviously this is quite temperamental in the populated areas and where excess capacity will go if one system is breached. I would speculate that this is where Edinburgh finds itself in, it's a large population centre with good connectivity to the central belts with the indicators of the immediate neighbour to the west being very high. The level or restriction imposed will likely be less effective if there's significant variance between bordering areas.

I think there is value in some sort of variance in restrictions but realistically, the solution across the whole piece is going to be converged to similar sort of actions as the ties between regions are generally very tight.

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8 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

https://frinkiac.com/video/S07E20/xYb6dkOeUiUsloj8_XJJpdzIf-Q=.gif

That exact gif was playing in my head when I typed my post :lol: 

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If the likes of Moray or Shetland are not in Tier 0 just now then we won't have any area of Scotland in Tier 0 without a vaccine.

Scottish Borders at Tier 2 is ridiculous.

The differences in Glasgow and Edinburgh scores are wide and they're in the same Tier. I don't want to go into Tier 4 in Glasgow but if the whole point is to be more localised in terms of restrictions based on those indicators then the right thing should really be Glasgow at least 1 Tier worse off than the cowards in the capital.

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Flicking through the stations on the car radio, and on comes "free" by ultra nate. f**k right off. 

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