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With no football, drink or fun perhaps a Scottish band should do a cover version of Morrissey's classic "Every day is like Sunday....on Lewis" 

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3 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

A vaccine that won’t stop infection, transmission or death

A vaccine that will merely reduce symptoms for people who are already asymptomatic or immune

A vaccine that will be ineffective in the elderly and vulnerable 

It’s pointless 

Sure.

Those millions of yearly flu vaccines must also just be for fun.

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4 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

The virus was “under control” in the summer because

a) er, it was the summer

Whoever wishes to investigate medicine properly should proceed thus: in the first place to consider the seasons of the year … 

Hippocrates

and

b) herd immunity threshold was reached in the spring and the virus is now endemic

To believe that restrictions played any part is to suffer from the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

Argentina went into lockdown before the U.K., Sweden didn’t go into lockdown 

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10 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

A vaccine that won’t stop infection, transmission or death

A vaccine that will merely reduce symptoms for people who are already asymptomatic or immune

A vaccine that will be ineffective in the elderly and vulnerable 

It’s pointless 


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24 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Yes, but there is arguably little difference in how to approach a pandemic caused by a new strain of flu, and that of Covid-19.

Both are respiratory viruses, and the methods of transmission essentially the same.

But is that not the revived wisdom why we fucked up. We were prepared for, and acted like we were defending against a pandemic flu. The point being that this type p virus needed rather more urgent and extreme measures to get it under control. Herd immunity being one of the crazy lads lads lads ways of dealing with a new flu. 

I'm sure there was chat along those lines at the time 

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42 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Yes, but there is arguably little difference in how to approach a pandemic caused by a new strain of flu, and that of Covid-19.

Both are respiratory viruses, and the methods of transmission essentially the same.

But you neglected to mention it wasn't about Covid19 and it was from last year about a theoretical flu epidemic. And you said it was valid in March 2020. In a thread about Covid19. Did you hope people wouldn't notice?

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32 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

lockdowns are destroying global supply chains and will lead to famine and starvation.  

Your virtue is their death.

You're not one to preach to everyone about virtues given you lied to track and trace and were proud of that, all so you could sit down to a hearty meal in a restaurant.

That's the standard of your virtue and your right wing middle class belly will always be full.

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The whole Coronavirus situation has been horrific for everyone in many ways but it seems to be affecting some worse than others but seeing folk posting from the minute they wake until they sleep is just concerning. Think a break would be good for some, a circuit break if you will.

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11 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

But you neglected to mention it wasn't about Covid19 and it was from last year about a theoretical flu epidemic. And you said it was valid in March 2020. In a thread about Covid19. Did you hope people wouldn't notice?

Why would there be a specific plan drawn up in advance for covid-19?

Think about what you've just said, and understand how ridiculous that sounds.

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30 minutes ago, madwullie said:

But is that not the revived wisdom why we fucked up. We were prepared for, and acted like we were defending against a pandemic flu. The point being that this type p virus needed rather more urgent and extreme measures to get it under control. Herd immunity being one of the crazy lads lads lads ways of dealing with a new flu. 

I'm sure there was chat along those lines at the time 

The point being no it didn't, but we did it anyway.

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5 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

The virus was “under control” in the summer because

a) er, it was the summer

Whoever wishes to investigate medicine properly should proceed thus: in the first place to consider the seasons of the year … 

Hippocrates

and

b) herd immunity threshold was reached in the spring and the virus is now endemic

To believe that restrictions played any part is to suffer from the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

Argentina went into lockdown before the U.K., Sweden didn’t go into lockdown 

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When it is summer here, it is winter in Argentina.

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Date of Death data for Scotland (vs reported date) shows that daily Coronavirus deaths in Scotland can best be described as "erratic"

It also highlights the limited value of the daily reported figures. Take October 21st as an example. 28 deaths were announced that day, when the actual number of deaths the previous day was half of that.

On the flip side, the single highest day so far was the 18th of October with 21, yet the next day this figure was announced by NS as just 1.

It's not news to anyone here that there are lags etc, and that the data is not an accurate representation of the previous day, but to those who only watch NS's briefings, or watch/read the news, there is a tremendous lack of transparancy about these figures still, 7 months in.

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1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said:

Why would there be a specific plan drawn up in advance for covid-19?

Think about what you've just said, and understand how ridiculous that sounds.

But it's a fact that we were so slow to lockdown and flirted with herd immunity (as they did in the states) because all the preparations we had were for a pandemic which this wasn't. It was more infectious amongst other things. The exact same with The US. 

There's loads more recent ones, but it's two in the morning, so it might not be perfect but at least it's a link. It outlines some of the differences we should have made in approach

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/did-the-uk-government-prepare-for-the-wrong-kind-of-pandemic

https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2020/10/06/chris-cook-planning-covid-test-and-trace/content.html

There's more too, but there's no point linking them all. 

In response to your welshbairn post, they had stockpiles of flu medicine etc they were relying on, advice to let large gatherings continue and the flu etc. It's all in that article. They knew how to fight off flu, and a treatment phase is included in the pandemic plans for flu. It's possible to prepare for a more contagious novel virus just because you don't know whta that virus exactly is, or what it's going to be called. You can mitigate against certain factors that would make it less likely to spread. 

You're wrong ro suggest that prep for a flu should have been fine because they are both respiratory diseases. 

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Level 3 - Pubs and restaurants open until 6pm but can’t serve alcohol.
Level 2 - Pubs and restaurants open until 8pm, can only serve alcohol with a main meal.
Level 1 - People not allowed to visit others at home.
This is actually nuts, she’s lost the fucking plot.


Can visit others at home in level 1 generally unless that’s changed since the strategic framework was published.

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4 hours ago, madwullie said:

But it's a fact that we were so slow to lockdown and flirted with herd immunity (as they did in the states) because all the preparations we had were for a pandemic which this wasn't....

Pandemic just means an epidemic on a global scale, so COVID-19 definitely falls under that definition. Think the politicians in western countries were hoping it wasn't something that was really going to take off for them until the following winter's flu season.

Turned out that the R0 number was too high and there were way too many difficult to screen mild and asymptomatic cases for that to be the case, and that it wasn't as dependent on ambient temperature being above freezing but below 20C as it initially appeared to be.

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36 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Pandemic just means an epidemic on a global scale, so COVID-19 definitely falls under that definition. Think the politicians in western countries were hoping it wasn't something that was really going to take off for them until the following winter's flu season.

Turned out that the R0 number was too high and there were way too many difficult to screen mild and asymptomatic cases for that to be the case, and that it wasn't as dependent on ambient temperature being above freezing but below 20C as it initially appeared to be.

Well from this document it specifies a fly virus, and outlines some of thencharacterisitives of this virus that we should prepare for. (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/225869/Pandemic_Influenza_LRF_Guidance.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjgiPef2dbsAhUtSEEAHXT7A4wQFjAFegQIGRAB&usg=AOvVaw1rIVqZtmXiy_iDcSq75B32) 

It states that adults are infectious for up to 5 days after symptom onset and the incubation time will be 1-4 days. 

They had already defined the characteristics of the virus because they were preparing for a flu, which this turned oir not to be. 

The suggesting is that is why they pushed for HI early on, allowed stuff like Cheltenham etc and ultimately why they locked down too late to keep our deaths at less horrifying level. I thought all this was pretty much taken as read in public stuff 

 

 

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You're not one to preach to everyone about virtues given you lied to track and trace and were proud of that, all so you could sit down to a hearty meal in a restaurant.
That's the standard of your virtue and your right wing middle class belly will always be full.
Well yeah but.... He made all that stuff up though

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38 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

 

Well done her eh?

She's the only one daft enough to put it out there for us all to see. You can be sure the super rich have been at this throughout

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