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4 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

They probably realise that there would be widespread ignoring of the restrictions over Christmas, so better just to allow it than have people get used to ignoring the advice.

I'm sure that is the case. I just find it quite disheartening, particularly now that a vaccine is on the horizon, that so many are willing to commit an act of widespread self harm for Christmas. The end is feasibly in sight now, I'd rather we just held on a bit longer.

I'm sure it comes across as cuntish, many have had much worse experiences of the pandemic than me and are genuinely desperate for that social interaction, but ther are plenty of self entitled people out there who just can't cope without their traditional Christmas booze up.

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A pressure group made up of parents who advocated in the summer for schools to return full-time with no blended learning that has now morphed into a group full of anti-science sceptics who believe that children are immune to Covid and are not transmitters so can't pass it on to adults.
Are they not anti-maskers, anti-vaccine as well?
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35 minutes ago, GNU_Linux said:

I'd like to thank the 'rona for re-affirming my belief that I never want children.

I understand that - after months of the schools being closed and then the holiday, Lordy do I understand that - but it's also been nice to see a lot more of them. I'm here when they go to school and here when they get home, and while the big yin is shielding at home I'm around to help him. In normal times I'm not often home in time to have dinner with them, and now we eat together every day. You can definitely get too much of a good thing but in general family life is better than it was before. Another silver lining of a very dark cloud.

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2 hours ago, David W said:

Wiith absolutely no evidence of any link between the two, I would personally describe them as a Mumsnet castoff.

I think they're more Astroturfy than that. They appear to have immediately had the ear of the right-wing press and seem to have some funding. I don't doubt their followers are true believers but I think this started as a political campaign.

Edit - every other similar, but real, campaign you can trace back to a discussion on a forum or something, or Facebook or Twitter. This one just burst into view, fully-formed.

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My in-laws are in South Lanarkshire. They have seen their grandchildren once in the flesh since this pandemic started. There is absolutely no way, even if restrictions are lifted, that we would travel down to see them for one day. When we are allowed to see them I want to spend quality time with them for longer than a few hours on Christmas day. I honestly don't get this christmas obsession when it comes to the pandemic and I love Christmas.

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2 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:
2 hours ago, Szamo said:
Good point made in the replies to Nicola:
In her figures she stated the 0.2% of school kids tested positive over 9 week period. Using the same measures approximately 70000 positive cases in Scotland over same 9 weeks. That’s 0.13%. So it’s greater in Schools. Any of our lame journalists going to challenge her on that?
Then you take into account that young people are more likely to be asymptomatic...

Your comparing apples with oranges here. 0.2% of the school age population tested positive. As a percentage of the general population that's a minuscule amount certainly a fraction of the 0.13% of the population as a whole. Think about what you regurgitate !

You cannot be this thick. Surely?

1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Not sure being too ugly that no-one wants to have sex with you is technically a ‘medical condition’.

^^^ a man in his 60/70s.

*shudders*

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1 hour ago, Snafu said:

305 schools had more than one Covid case in first term

New figures also show 24% of Scottish secondaries had multiple cases in the same week before the October break

https://www.tes.com/news/305-schools-had-more-one-covid-case-first-term

A new Scottish government paper on the transmission of the coronavirus in schools reveals that, in the first term back after summer, over three-quarters of Scottish schools had no pupils who tested positive for the virus.

However, the paper also states that pupil Covid-19 related absence hit its highest level earlier this month; that in 305 schools (roughly 12 per cent of all schools) more than one pupil had tested positive in the first term back; and that almost a quarter of secondary schools had more than one case occurring in the same week, on at least one occasion.

In the last week of the first term of 2020-21, the paper says, 6 per cent of secondary schools had more than one pupil who tested positive in the same week, although the cases were not necessarily linked.

The report says the higher number of confirmed cases in secondary reflected "both the higher incidence of cases among secondary aged pupils, and generally the larger school size at secondary level".

It adds that: “The occurrence of multiple pupil cases in the same week in the primary school setting has remained an infrequent occurrence.”

The paper states: “Of the [305] schools with more than one confirmed case of coronavirus there were 195 schools (i.e. around 7.0% of all schools) in which there was more than one positive case occurring in the same week, on at least one occasion (the cases were not necessarily linked). Of these, 118 were secondary schools (24% of all secondary schools), 72 primary schools (3% of primaries), and five were special schools (5%).”

The paper – published to provide the evidence base for keeping schools open – says that there continued to be “strong evidence that children and younger people are much less susceptible to severe clinical Covid-19 disease than older people” and that there is “no current direct evidence that transmission within schools plays a significant contributory role in driving increased rates of infection among children”.

On the other hand it said that “there is clear evidence that time out of school has a detrimental effect on children and young people’s wellbeing, including impacts on developmental and mental health harms”.

The report also says that an analysis carried out by the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) has found school staff being no more likely to contract Covid-19 than workers of a similar age in other jobs.

It adds that an experimental analysis undertaken by Public Health Scotland indicated that “teachers are not at an increased risk of testing positive for Covid-19” and that a more detailed analysis would be "available shortly”.

And here it is -

 

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/research-and-analysis/2020/11/coronavirus-covid-19-evidence-on-children-schools-early-learning-and-childcare-settings-and-transmission-from-covid-19---summary-report/documents/advisory-sub-group-on-education-and-childrens-issues---summary-report-of-the-evidence-on-children-schools-early-learning-and-childcare-settings-and-transmission-from-covid-19/advisory-sub-group-on-education-and-childrens-issues---summary-report-of-the-evidence-on-children-schools-early-learning-and-childcare-settings-and-transmission-from-covid-19/govscot%3Adocument/SUMMARY%2BOF%2BTHE%2BEVIDENCE%2BON%2BCHILDREN%2BSCHOOLS%2BEARLY%2BLEARNING%2BAND%2BCHILDCARE%2BSETTINGS%2BAND%2BTRANSMISSION%2BFROM%2BCOVID-19%2B%28002%29.pdf

Having more than one case is an incredibly low threshold to write a piece on. 

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

They probably realise that there would be widespread ignoring of the restrictions over Christmas, so better just to allow it than have people get used to ignoring the advice.

We should see if we can get rid of some other inconvenient advice while we're at it.

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