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30 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

@Britney Spears  I liked your initial contribution but I see you’ve been lurking for most of the day without making much more of a contribution. 

Dont be shy hen, come join in. What’s your view on the debate today? 

I skipped a bunch of pages when I was catching up earlier and missed that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

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I found out yesterday that the partner of a friend of mine who lives down near Derby, is now in ICU with Covid. He isn’t on a ventilator but is on more oxygen because he can’t breath unaided. I also found out today that a woman I went swimming with has died of it.

Covid is fucking shit. 

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1 hour ago, Detournement said:

Herd immunity isn't sunk. They have found that antibodies decay but it's still likely that the immune system will be able to produce more if it's exposed to the virus again.

True, but that won't shut people up about Sweden, so isn't the preferred narrative for the UK's political elite right now, who very much need the plebs to keep believing that their lockdowns have made a crucial difference in the larger scheme of things for career longevity reasons.

 

 

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It shows just how little opposition the SNP have in Scotland. They could tell us all we’ve to stay indoors for the next year (only to go out for work and essentials) and they’d still be voted in by a landslide. 

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12 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Because the only thing I want to to discuss is why cant we have it all. If theres any conversation that is hard, but necessary, it's that one

Because for some reason we seem to view any covid deaths as wholly preventable, completely unacceptable, and that we must sacrifice anything and everything to try to prevent these, no matter how futile those attempts may be, or what the consequences are.

This view remains constant even as the estimated IFR continually falls.

Political wokeness.

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3 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Pubs allowed to open but not serve alcohol? Heads gone 

I assume there is some new scientific evidence that allows premises to remain open until 8pm & 10.30pm (depending on restriction level) instead of 6pm & 10pm, though, and it's not just a blatent attempt to appease the hospitality industry.

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I saw that a couple of weeks ago. Average Covid death age Is 82-odds which struck me as a reasonably fair innings. Checking again tonight, it seems the Covid deaths are outliving the general Scottish populace: 

https://www.scotsman.com/health/scotlands-life-expectancy-lowest-western-europe-poorest-scots-men-expected-die-13-years-those-least-deprived-areas-2982894

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Because for some reason we seem to view any covid deaths as wholly preventable, completely unacceptable, and that we must sacrifice anything and everything to try to prevent these, no matter how futile those attempts may be, or what the consequences are.
This view remains constant even as the estimated IFR continually falls.
Political wokeness.
Hindsight is an amazing thing, so il try to make this sound reasonable... I think the response was probably fair enough in April, worldwide I mean. But I think it's fair to suggest that theres at least some of whats happening now that smells of, we cant back away from this now because look at all the damage that was done. Theres still a problem with this virus, but I get the impression that if politics wasnt every bit as important* as public health, we would have turned our back on almost all of the measures we see in place, having decided they are disproportionate on a cost/effectiveness ratio. I'll reiterate that once a vaccine begins to be rolled out, my participation in their measures is basically over. Who I have in my own home for example, will be a matter for me to decide.


*to the people making the calls obviously, not to us.

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1 minute ago, alta-pete said:

I saw that a couple of weeks ago. Average Covid death age Is 82-odds which struck me as a reasonably fair innings. Checking again tonight, it seems the Covid deaths are outliving the general Scottish populace: 

https://www.scotsman.com/health/scotlands-life-expectancy-lowest-western-europe-poorest-scots-men-expected-die-13-years-those-least-deprived-areas-2982894

That's as it may be but still a but shite to have in a condolences card "you made it past the Scottish life expectancy" thankful I've not had someone very close to me die for a long while but trying to celebrate their life under current circumstances is utterly shit and grieving just now would be awful.

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3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I assume there is some new scientific evidence that allows premises to remain open until 8pm & 10.30pm (depending on restriction level) instead of 6pm & 10pm, though, and it's not just a blatent attempt to appease the hospitality industry.

Definitely new scientific evidence rather than appeasing 😑

Local places are saying pubs here have to shut at 6pm, don’t know if that’s correct as I haven’t looked at the “dossier” yet. Anyone confirm this?

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4 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

I saw that a couple of weeks ago. Average Covid death age Is 82-odds which struck me as a reasonably fair innings. Checking again tonight, it seems the Covid deaths are outliving the general Scottish populace: 

https://www.scotsman.com/health/scotlands-life-expectancy-lowest-western-europe-poorest-scots-men-expected-die-13-years-those-least-deprived-areas-2982894

Yip I read the average age of a covid death is a year longer than the average life expectancy. 

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1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Hindsight is an amazing thing, so il try to make this sound reasonable... I think the response was probably fair enough in April, worldwide I mean. But I think it's fair to suggest that theres at least some of whats happening now that smells of, we cant back away from this now because look at all the damage that was done. Theres still a problem with this virus, but I get the impression that if politics wasnt every bit as important* as public health, we would have turned our back on almost all of the measures we see in place, having decided they are disproportionate on a cost/effectiveness ratio. I'll reiterate that once a vaccine begins to be rolled out, my participation in their measures is basically over. Who I have in my own home for example, will be a matter for me to decide.


*to the people making the calls obviously, not to us.

Would you only let people in once you have had a vaccine? Only only let pals in that have had the vaccine?

For me once 2/3 of the population have had the vaccine surely we will just be told to get cracking. That's what I will be doing anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Political wokeness.

I'm awake brother, and I've seen you swivel on every Holyrood announcement to condemn what you previously supported. No solutions to offer, just nit picking over every single detail. It's all about politics with you, zero about offering solutions, apart from with massive retrospective glasses.

 

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Would you only let people in once you have had a vaccine? Only only let pals in that have had the vaccine?
For me once 2/3 of the population have had the vaccine surely we will just be told to get cracking. That's what I will be doing anyway.
No, because peoples willingness to have a vaccine or not is for them to decide. If a vaccine achieves the goal of preventing the NHS being overwhelmed then for me, that's that. This disease is new. It's also shit and horrible, of that there is no doubt, but just because it's new doesnt mean there is an "at any cost" right not to catch it or die from it.

We arent going to eradicate it, we are going to see people die from it every year, just as we do from flu. Despite that, I dont ask anyone if they have had the flu vaccine. The world at large will be given a fighting chance by a vaccine which has been lacking so far and was pretty much the justification for the measures, the fact that there was nothing for it. If there is something for it, then its crack on time for me.

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1 minute ago, 101 said:

That's as it may be but still a but shite to have in a condolences card "you made it past the Scottish life expectancy" thankful I've not had someone very close to me die for a long while but trying to celebrate their life under current circumstances is utterly shit and grieving just now would be awful.

This is going to come across as a bit uncaring but it’s not meant to be.

We are the sick man of Europe - which is why life expectancy is so comparatively short - but we’ve never seen as much resource thrown at solving that problem as we have this one over the past 8 months or so. 

Where were Calderwood/Shridar/Leith et al dealing with our endemic obesity, alcohol and drugs before now? 

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1 hour ago, virginton said:

Your helpful reminder that with the SG (March to now) you always needed at least three weeks to determine the impact of relaxing measures before ever progressing on to the next step, but when it comes to justifying its latest bullshit semi-lockdown it takes just ten days to decide that they're definitely having an impact.

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Wonder if anything else happened in those 10 days that may have seen less people mixing and therefore lowered the chance of the virus spreading. 

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You can't meet anyone because of Covid..... You can smoke your pan in until you get cancer though because British American Tobacco pay a huge dividend every year.

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