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2 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

He prabaly just extrapolated. Seems to be the accepted way these days. 

Well I extrapolate that he's a c*nt then .

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2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

It's cute that you think our very own NHS had no protocols in place to deny treatment to our elderly, frail and otherwise unlikely to survive people.

Offensive and categorically untrue.

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Just now, Cyclizine said:

Offensive and categorically untrue.

The "Resuscitation Decision Guidance Covid 19" chart I'm looking at must be fake then...

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Taking opinion on the current restrictions / need for them out of the equation, what are people's thoughts on tweets like this?

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3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

The "Resuscitation Decision Guidance Covid 19" chart I'm looking at must be fake then...

If a patient is frail and unlikely to survive, why would you subject them to the trauma and indignity of CPR?

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2 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:

If a patient is frail and unlikely to survive, why would you subject them to the trauma and indignity of CPR?

Well it also includes intubation etc.

I only said it was a protocol that was in place. Thanks for comfirming it is true. Quite the U-turn

Edited by Todd_is_God

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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Thanks for comfirming it is true. Quite the U-turn

Do you even know what CPR is?

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3 minutes ago, Cyclizine said:

Do you even know what CPR is?

Yes. See my edit also.

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Btw I don't understand why you are so defensive here. I don't think anyone would be surprised to know that the NHS would deem certain treatments unsuitable for groups of people. Whether that be Covid related, or anything else.

But it's not a fair stick to beat another country's health system response with, or use it as an example of a failing, when very similar procedures were in place here.

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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Yes

Then you will understand that if your physiology has deteriorated for whatever reason, to the point that your heart stops, you are dead.

If there is no treatment that can reverse the underlying cause for deterioration, then CPR will not be effective.

CPR is an invasive and undignified act. If it is not going to be successful, under any circumstances, why would you want it?

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Just surprising to me that anyone can be bothered wasting their time writing the same boring, mad old pish day after day. Not even like it successful trolling as no one pays it any attention.

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11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

^^^ doesnt have a mother in law type post

^^^ jealous as f**k.

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1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said:

Just back from Sunday dinner at a friends house

Stopped reading here.

 

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2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

Btw I don't understand why you are so defensive here. I don't think anyone would be surprised to know that the NHS would deem certain treatments unsuitable for groups of people. Whether that be Covid related, or anything else.

But it's not a fair stick to beat another country's health system response with, or use it as an example of a failing, when very similar procedures were in place here.

Not giving cpr to someone who likely will not survive, or survive brain damaged, is slightly different to euthanising patients rather than giving them o2 in a hospital ie what was going on in Sweden. 

My mum got brought back with cpr. She was 18 months in hospital, 6 of these in a coma-like state she couldn't remember once she'd started to recover. She never did recover though - and the brutalisation she took during cpr contributed to that. Wouldn't change it though as we got an extra year with her, but she looked like she'd had her c**t kicked in at The Vaults for a good while afterwards. 

Anway its a given that our top decision makers made some awful decisions. We had procedures in place (don't know if we used them) to determine which patients would get treatment if resources were scarce.

Thankfully, noone is eulogising our method as the one which all nations must use. In fact, I think most nations agree that our method should be avoided at all costs. 

Sweden has been romanticised as champions of freedom etc. because they didn't call their light lockdown a lockdown because it was voluntary. But to survive the case surge from letting it rip they had to do some unspeakable things to keep their hospitals from being overwhelmed. 

It is perfectly legitimate to bring this up when people are demanding that our country use the Swedish method. 

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1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said:

Japan

1,700 deaths in a densely populated country that didn’t do much testing and didn’t lockdown

its as if they had prior immunity

yet New Zealand get praised despite wrecking their economy for the same outcome 

If japan had herd immunity, they would not be pulling in ~500 cases a day, (and trending upwards) up from single figures case in June. 

Which infectious diseases have we achieved herd immunity to without a vaccine and how long did it take? 

There's much more sensible and realistic commentary of what happened in Japan and the science behind it you can find rather than ThEy gOt hERd iMmUNitY! 

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2 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

Just back from Sunday dinner at a friends house, in central Scotland. Don’t know whether folk’s attitude is changing or whether folk always thought thus way and are now just saying what they think.

At one point there were 5 different households in the house. One was in her 70s who couldn’t give a shit. One was still believing in restrictions but obviously didn’t believe that much otherwise she wouldn’t have sat with us for 3 hours.
 

The 2 teenagers told us that no-one they know agree with the restrictions.

I know that my kids don’t agree with any restrictions. My daughter is 16 and she’s been with a group of friends in someone’s house for weeks and presumably their parents couldn’t give a shit. I know I couldn’t. And my son, in his early 20s is totally anti lockdown.

This is the third week in a row we’ve been round to someone’s house. Different folk each time. Let’s face it. Restrictions ate a waste of time.

This guy demands we use the Swedish model but he doesn't want to actually follow the rules. 

Bleats on about the working class, yet goes out of his way to facilitate the spread of a disease that kills the vulnerable, the poor and bame citizens disproportionately. What a hero for the cause 👏

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