Detournement Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, hk blues said: I'm not convinced wearing a mask does any significant good, but I'm sure it doesn't do any harm despite what the Swedes are saying. As for masks in gyms, I suppose it's like masks in restaurants/bars - probably pointless but there are plenty of other places where wearing one might be beneficial. Masks used properly would be beneficial but it's not practical to use them properly for the majority of people. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 It really is a strange one as the majority of London seems to be one of the best areas in the country. I've seen people point to the Universities and movement of people for the problems in Scotland and the likes of Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle, however London has more colleges and Universities than anywhere and it also has the largest movement of people by an absolute distance coupled with the fact that they have many more of the "at risk" ethnic population. Who knows, maybe it'a a question of timing or maybe they were hit harder initially and have more natural resistance now or maybe it's a combination of many things which we don't understand yet ???The ability to work from home is far more prevalent than in the north of England. Also, a lot of Londoners social lives revolves around going into the office. All the offices are in the same square mile, so you’re more likely to meet your mate who lives across the other side of the city but works around the corner for a pint in the evening straight after work, whereas with everyone doing WFH, you quite possibly just won’t meet up with said mate at all. Also in London, most offices didn’t both reopening even when they were allowed, which means both less chance for workplace infection but also significantly less after work socialising in London. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Can anyone clear up if I should be self isolating? Came back from Germany on Monday - Germany exempt from having to isolate. Travelled through Schipol - Netherlands not exempt. The advice on gov.scot is as follows: If you depart from an exempt country and your journey includes a transit stop through a non-exempt country, you will need to self-isolate if you interact with others in that non-exempt country. I just went from one gate to another without leaving the airport or so much as having a beer, what counts as interacting with others? I had to fill out a form returning to Glasgow airport where I had to state whether I should be isolating or not and I opted for no, then had to confirm why, but no one checked the form or told me whether or not I should be quarantined etc. Edited October 8, 2020 by GiGi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: Masks used properly would be beneficial but it's not practical to use them properly for the majority of people. Why not, though? Where I am we have to wear masks outside (fined if not) and face visors on transport and in shopping centres (also fined if not as well as refused entry). Sure, there are times we have to remove them but I'd say we can keep them on for the vast majority of the time. And, it's not as if I'm in a mask wearing culture here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, WATTOO said: It really is a strange one as the majority of London seems to be one of the best areas in the country. I've seen people point to the Universities and movement of people for the problems in Scotland and the likes of Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle, however London has more colleges and Universities than anywhere and it also has the largest movement of people by an absolute distance coupled with the fact that they have many more of the "at risk" ethnic population. Who knows, maybe it'a a question of timing or maybe they were hit harder initially and have more natural resistance now or maybe it's a combination of many things which we don't understand yet ??? The economy? It's easier to work from home in finance than if you work in t'mill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 What percentage of workers are back in offices etc. In Machester/Liverpool versus London? One of the things keeping things at bay in the South is undoubtedly the enforced home working. I had to go into the office in London last week as my IT was gubbed - a usually packed train was running at about 5% capacity. Even the tube was quiet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, GiGi said: Can anyone clear up if I should be self isolating? Came back from Germany on Monday - Germany exempt from having to isolate. Travelled through Schipol - Netherlands not exempt. The advice on gov.scot is as follows: If you depart from an exempt country and your journey includes a transit stop through a non-exempt country, you will need to self-isolate if you interact with others in that non-exempt country. I just went from one gate to another without leaving the airport or so much as having a beer, what counts as interacting with others? I had to fill out a form returning to Glasgow airport where I had to state whether I should be isolating or not and I opted for no, then had to confirm why, but no one checked the form or told me whether or not I should be quarantined etc. I was meant to be doing the same on Saturday, flying to Munich via Schiphol, and the rules seemed pretty clear on quarantining if you changed at Schiphol. I decided not to go, but if you were honest on the form and nobody picked you up on it, and you had minimal interactions at Schiphol, I'd ignore the rule and claim ignorance if you're picked up on it. P.S. I think Germany are now making us quarantine if we go over there, good job I cancelled. Edited October 8, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, GiGi said: Can anyone clear up if I should be self isolating? Came back from Germany on Monday - Germany exempt from having to isolate. Travelled through Schipol - Netherlands not exempt. The advice on gov.scot is as follows: If you depart from an exempt country and your journey includes a transit stop through a non-exempt country, you will need to self-isolate if you interact with others in that non-exempt country. I just went from one gate to another without leaving the airport or so much as having a beer, what counts as interacting with others? I had to fill out a form returning to Glasgow airport where I had to state whether I should be isolating or not and I opted for no, then had to confirm why, but no one checked the form or told me whether or not I should be quarantined etc. I think the whole quarantine thing is now a nonsense / completely pointless, as an example Greece (who I believe are still on the list) are about the 3rd best country in Europe currently and we ourselves have 5x more virus in this country. The UK has breached the 200 mark today for the 14 day cumulative number per 100,000 where Greece has 43.5, Poland has 67.5 and Croatia has 76.2 so really it's utter nonsense. In your case the Netherlands is slightly worse than here but realistically there's nothing much in it now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: You were fcuked in 1948, Willie. That's no nice Edited October 8, 2020 by Wee Willie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Michael W said: What percentage of workers are back in offices etc. In Machester/Liverpool versus London? One of the things keeping things at bay in the South is undoubtedly the enforced home working. I had to go into the office in London last week as my IT was gubbed - a usually packed train was running at about 5% capacity. Even the tube was quiet. While I appreciate this, I'd still reckon that per head of population there's more people not working from home and regularly socialising in London that there are in the likes of Newcastle or Glasgow. Glasgow City Centre is deserted as are the trains and buses as all the major employers in the finance and insurance industry also have the majority of their staff working from home so really not sure about this at all. Madrid is also the financial centre of Spain where the Basque country and Catalonia are the industrial heartlands, yet Madrid is by far the worst hit City for covid in Spain and by quite some way at that. Edited October 8, 2020 by WATTOO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I was meant to be doing the same on Saturday, flying to Munich via Schiphol, and the rules seemed pretty clear on quarantining if you changed at Schiphol. I decided not to go, but if you were honest on the form and nobody picked you up on it, and you had minimal interactions at Schiphol, I'd ignore the rule and claim ignorance if you're picked up on it. Was Munich for me too. The form is on the govt website and goes straight to them while you download a copy to keep for yourself. I've not received any kind of communication to say I should be doing otherwise so I think I'll just crack on, I've given every bit of information that I can. 5 minutes ago, WATTOO said: I think the whole quarantine thing is now a nonsense / completely pointless, as an example Greece (who I believe are still on the list) are about the 3rd best country in Europe currently and we ourselves have 5x more virus in this country. The UK has breached the 200 mark today for the 14 day cumulative number per 100,000 where Greece has 43.5, Poland has 67.5 and Croatia has 76.2 so really it's utter nonsense. In your case the Netherlands is slightly worse than here but realistically there's nothing much in it now. Yeah and even at that I was in the Netherlands for about an hour at either end in a near empty airport. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, GiGi said: Was Munich for me too. The form is on the govt website and goes straight to them while you download a copy to keep for yourself. I've not received any kind of communication to say I should be doing otherwise so I think I'll just crack on, I've given every bit of information that I can. Yeah and even at that I was in the Netherlands for about an hour at either end in a near empty airport. The refusal to use airport/port testing on arrival in the UK is a fucking disgrace, and is nothing more than a political decision in reaction to the flak that Johnson got back in March and April. Plenty of other countries....with lower covid-19 rates than the UK.....are keeping their borders open by using testing before and/or after arrival. The UK flatly refuses to countenance this. Fucking arseholes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The refusal to use airport/port testing on arrival in the UK is a fucking disgrace, and is nothing more than a political decision in reaction to the flak that Johnson got back in March and April. Plenty of other countries....with lower covid-19 rates than the UK.....are keeping their borders open by using testing before and/or after arrival. The UK flatly refuses to countenance this. Fucking arseholes. They are introducing it now. Too little, too late IMO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Bob Mahelp said: The refusal to use airport/port testing on arrival in the UK is a fucking disgrace, and is nothing more than a political decision in reaction to the flak that Johnson got back in March and April. Plenty of other countries....with lower covid-19 rates than the UK.....are keeping their borders open by using testing before and/or after arrival. The UK flatly refuses to countenance this. Fucking arseholes. I was tested as soon as I landed at Munich airport last week and had my results emailed to me the next day. Part of each terminal is routed off solely for testing. I filled out a form which produced a QR code, the testers scanned this, took my sample and sent me on my way. Whole thing took less than 15 minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Aufc said: Yes its not ideal but not doing this you are effectively creating more issues by locking down the whole of the country. The only way you could save every job is by opening up the country but people moan about that as well. Either that or they rack up so much debt that it completely fucks the economy for generations to come which then creates additional issues via unemployment, mental health etc The whole of the country hasn't been locked down. Not true, the government in Westminster could find furlough for a year if they scrapped trident. It's a political decision the money is there it's being spent in the wrong places. Also the big tech giants pay no tax which is welcomed by the government. If we don't need the revenue that they would provide then I assume the UK government is awash with cash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The whole of the country hasn't been locked down. Not true, the government in Westminster could find furlough for a year if they scrapped trident. It's a political decision the money is there it's being spent in the wrong places. Also the big tech giants pay no tax which is welcomed by the government. If we don't need the revenue that they would provide then I assume the UK government is awash with cash.You and your fucking Westminster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, GiGi said: I was tested as soon as I landed at Munich airport last week and had my results emailed to me the next day. Part of each terminal is routed off solely for testing. I filled out a form which produced a QR code, the testers scanned this, took my sample and sent me on my way. Whole thing took less than 15 minutes. Do you have to sit in your accommodation till you get the result I take it? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, 101 said: The whole of the country hasn't been locked down. Not true, the government in Westminster could find furlough for a year if they scrapped trident. It's a political decision the money is there it's being spent in the wrong places. Also the big tech giants pay no tax which is welcomed by the government. If we don't need the revenue that they would provide then I assume the UK government is awash with cash. HS2 is the white elephant that should be scrapped, why build a short distance train line when nobody is expected to travel ? HS2 was a ridiculous idea to begin with but the covid has changed everything and now it's become pointless as people are no longer commuting to offices. Apart from this it was only ever to benefit a small proportion of the population as most couldn't afford it nor would they need it and further more it was only ever designed to create even further wealth in London to the detriment of everywhere else. Scrap it now !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Do you have to sit in your accommodation till you get the result I take it? Aye although I'm not sure how they would have checked that. I gave the address I was staying at but I assume they don't come and chap the door to make sure you're in. For me it was easy enough, I was staying with a mate so was able to sit tight for the rest of the day with a few beers and a takeaway then free the rest of the week. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Got a quiz for you all. Your stated aim is to reduce the spread of covid. What areas do you introduce restrictions on to help you achieve this goal? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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