Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Honest_Man#1]

3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

So why are there not hundreds of adult staff off with infections?

Infections are being driven by multiple factors not just one.

Not a single person I’ve seen has disputed that. Can you please stop being so blatantly obtuse with this act that people are saying it’s 100% schools and zero transmission anywhere else, it’s fucking annoying.

Schools are clearly a major factor, in amongst the other factors. 

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

The Kincardine's Thai cousin is on a fair old swally today.

[djchapsticks]

5 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said:

Straight from the Tory handbook. I always find it amazing when Scots turn full Tory. 

Away you go you fucking tool.

[Gaz]

18 minutes ago, SlipperyP said:

people dead in uk, then swfen  its sick

, then we post of other countrirs,    uk best the world, rule britannica  (socked the cock) Scotchland

[Falkirk09Bairn]

7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Away you go you fucking tool.

“My business is more important than your family”. It’s Tory in its purest form. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Not a single person I’ve seen has disputed that. Can you please stop being so blatantly obtuse with this act that people are saying it’s 100% schools and zero transmission anywhere else, it’s fucking annoying.
Schools are clearly a major factor, in amongst the other factors. 

Where have I said that?

Of course schools play a role but so do other sectors.

Some here seem to think it's schools only which is utter nonsense.

I'm wondering if we need to look at having 2 measures of infection - those with symptoms and testing positive and those who are asymptomatic and testing positive.

[stuart87]

So why are there not hundreds of adult staff off with infections?

Infections are being driven by multiple factors not just one.

The adults in schools are socially distancing themselves and the kids are not.

[Detournement]

1 hour ago, mizfit said:

 

Also, from memory the leaked document showed the worst case scenario. Imposing a restriction on leaving your council area is in line with the welsh govt.

 

This would be class in Scotland with our mental boundary lines.

[ICTChris]

I don't know the numbers of staff off with infections. Again, people can have the virus and be asymptomatic. It doesn't stop them passing it on to others.
No one said they aren't being driven by multiple factors. The schools going back will have resulted in different behaviour from adults who were previously at home most of the day because their kids were home. They may be visiting friends or family or businesses more regularly which has contributed to increased infections. There are thousands of examples you could think of. That is still a consequence of one sector being reopened without restrictions.

The Scottish Government publishes the number of staff absent for a variety of Covid related reasons - self isolating, symptoms, positive case etc. It’s been reducing since the schools reopened.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/transparency-data/2020/09/covid-19-education-recovery-group-children-and-young-people-infographic/documents/children-and-young-people-infographic-01-october-2020/children-and-young-people-infographic-01-october-2020/govscot%3Adocument/CERG%2BInfographic%2B-%2B01102020.pdf

[Gaz]

18 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

So why are there not hundreds of adult staff off with infections?

There are.

[Gaz]

3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Some here seem to think it's schools only which is utter nonsense.

Literally no-one has said it's only schools. That's a strawman argument, and you know it.

[Honest_Man#1]

3 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

Where have I said that?

Of course schools play a role but so do other sectors.

Some here seem to think it's schools only which is utter nonsense.

I'm wondering if we need to look at having 2 measures of infection - those with symptoms and testing positive and those who are asymptomatic and testing positive.
 

If you can quote me one post showing this then I’ll happily admit it’s nonsense and agree with you. I certainly haven’t seen a single post saying that, despite you constantly saying it.

[Honest_Man#1]

2 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Literally no-one has said it's only schools. That's a strawman argument, and you know it.

Thank f**k there’s at least one teacher on here with a sense of perspective. The rest on here appear to be incapable of being impartial.

[djchapsticks]

7 minutes ago, Falkirk09Bairn said:

“My business is more important than your family”. It’s Tory in its purest form. 

Wow, that is a stretch and half.

The point of my post, if you decided to have a look at it and not be a fucking smartarse, is that people  are going to be mentally affected by this.

I am quite isolated just now and the gym is an outlet...taking that away would leave me mentally struggling.

My partner has no form of income other than as self-employed small trader who might be forced to stop, despite following all guidelines. That lack of income and security would leave her mentally struggling.

So please refrain from being a c**t.

[renton]

19 minutes ago, Szamo's_Ammo said:

We know younger people are more likely to be asymptomatic, which doesn't stop someone passing the virus onto someone else. Indeed, someone who is asymptomatic can pass it onto someone else who is also asymptomatic and so on until someone becomes ill and gets tested.

The contact tracing system has been proven to be as good as useless.

What cannot be denied is cases have surged in every country where schools have returned, notably in the UK, France and Spain. Not just a small increase either like when hospitality, barbers, gyms, etc, reopened. A huge increase.

Italy had the virus under control despite having an awful first wave. Schools returned later (on 14th September) and in the last few days they have recorded their highest daily case numbers in 5 months.

Except of course that the opening of schools reflected an opening of society, behaviourly as well as in terms of hard numbers: i.e. parents returning to work, finding more time to mix and socialise. 

The only way to differentiate the indirect effects of school openings from the direct impact of children mixing is to look at index cases, and secondary infections. The general consensus from SAGE is the direct impact of children mixing is very limited. The lack of positive cases correlating to age group corroborates the findings of academic studies which also point to lower susceptibility in children, which also has knock on effects of the ability of children to pass it on. They may be more likely to be asymptomatic, but there is a question mark if asymptomatic kids are as infectious as asymptomatic adults.

Studies carried out suggest a very low percentage of children as index cases, passing on to adults. We've discussed this before. I've yet to see counter evidence.

I do believe that school openings have generally brought with it far more societal mixing. That has almost certainly brought an increase in cases. Which means there is a level of mixing that throws the whole thing open. 

Worth noting that all those nations who have opened up their schools, not one of them, not a scientific group amongst all of them has suggested the direct mixing of children is driving infection rates.

The track and trace system is not useless, and it's not pointing to school kids as primary vectors. 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Literally no-one has said it's only schools. That's a strawman argument, and you know it.

I can name 4

[Gaz]

Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said:

8 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Literally no-one has said it's only schools. That's a strawman argument, and you know it.

I can name 4

Please do!

[Szamo's_Ammo]

3 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

 

The Scottish Government publishes the number of staff absent for a variety of Covid related reasons - self isolating, symptoms, positive case etc. It’s been reducing since the schools reopened.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/transparency-data/2020/09/covid-19-education-recovery-group-children-and-young-people-infographic/documents/children-and-young-people-infographic-01-october-2020/children-and-young-people-infographic-01-october-2020/govscot%3Adocument/CERG%2BInfographic%2B-%2B01102020.pdf
 

 

No it hasn't.

Those graphs show that the number of staff self isolating or testing positive has gone down since the first week of the schools returning but the numbers have plateaued with small increases and decreases week to week.

[Falkirk09Bairn]

4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Wow, that is a stretch and half.

The point of my post, if you decided to have a look at it and not be a fucking smartarse, is that people  are going to be mentally affected by this.

I am quite isolated just now and the gym is an outlet...taking that away would leave me mentally struggling.

My partner has no form of income other than as self-employed small trader who might be forced to stop, despite following all guidelines. That lack of income and security would leave her mentally struggling.

So please refrain from being a c**t.

Your problems pale into comparison to the families losing loved ones all so you can post pictures on Instagram of yourself lifting a few weights. It’s an incredibly selfish hill to die on. 

[coprolite]

3 minutes ago, renton said:

Except of course that the opening of schools reflected an opening of society, behaviourly as well as in terms of hard numbers: i.e. parents returning to work, finding more time to mix and socialise. 

The only way to differentiate the indirect effects of school openings from the direct impact of children mixing is to look at index cases, and secondary infections. The general consensus from SAGE is the direct impact of children mixing is very limited. The lack of positive cases correlating to age group corroborates the findings of academic studies which also point to lower susceptibility in children, which also has knock on effects of the ability of children to pass it on. They may be more likely to be asymptomatic, but there is a question mark if asymptomatic kids are as infectious as asymptomatic adults.

Studies carried out suggest a very low percentage of children as index cases, passing on to adults. We've discussed this before. I've yet to see counter evidence.

I do believe that school openings have generally brought with it far more societal mixing. That has almost certainly brought an increase in cases. Which means there is a level of mixing that throws the whole thing open. 

Worth noting that all those nations who have opened up their schools, not one of them, not a scientific group amongst all of them has suggested the direct mixing of children is driving infection rates.

The track and trace system is not useless, and it's not pointing to school kids as primary vectors. 

 

Pfft. We've had enough of experts. 

Burn the schools