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1 minute ago, super_carson said:

Didn't think there was much in today's announcement that we didn't really already know, just more of a confirmation of the dates that had been outlined previously. The part that I, personally, am frustrated with is the fact gyms are being pushed further back with no real idea on when they may be able to reopen yet pubs and other indoor activities can re-open with safety measures in place.  I'd be curious to see how much dialogue there's been between the leisure industry and the SG as to what measures/conditions would need to be met before re-opening. 

They have been open in Germany since the start of June.

I'm surprised the industry can't liase with the SG to see how they have managed over there and how it can be applied here.

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I think we can safely file "sjc" alongside "Todd_Is_God" in the list of "posters who don't understand science".

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1 minute ago, Gaz said:

Are you seriously linking to "OffGuardian" as an example of a peer-reviewed medical journal?

I read a few of the statements in it. The majority are saying that the panic and lockdown has been disproportionate. No-one (that I read - I didn't read it all) actually said it didn't exist, or that there wasn't a virus spreading rapidly around the world. So not entirely sure what @sjc is saying here linking to these. 

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Never heard of OffGuardian but a quick look at some of the stories suggests David Icke would be out of place writing them.

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7 minutes ago, madwullie said:

OK. 

So if its not a pandemic, what is the other explanation for what has happened all across the planet in the last 6 or so months?

Clearly the answer won't be found by looking for an anomaly in Japan, but by finding out why the rest of the world is lying. 

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7 minutes ago, sjc said:

I don't know. You tell me. I'm just pointing out contradictions in death data in other countries.

I think there's a pandemic going on with a highly contagious virus that can be deadly in certain circumstances.

I'm not the one darkly suggesting others are hiding under the bed in fear, and implying there's some global conspiracy to make us wear masks on the bus and in asda. 

Edited by madwullie

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39 minutes ago, sjc said:

 

 

 

Where did I definitively say it wasn't a pandemic? I said I remained to be convinced in light of the oldest most vulnerable, densely populated Country in the world having no spike in deaths in spite of no lockdown restrictions compared other Countries that have. 

You guys carry on hiding under your beds though, I'm sure the Government will tell you when it's safe to come out!

BTW there was a 1000 death spike in Tokyo in April 

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Just now, Gaz said:

Are you seriously linking to "OffGuardian" as an example of a peer-reviewed medical journal?

No, I'm lying in bed on my smartphone about to go to sleep so not about to troll through medical journals. But the medical professionals interviewed in the article put forth their expert opinions which contradict the narrative. That'll have to do you for now.

4 minutes ago, Gaz said:

I think we can safely file "sjc" alongside "Todd_Is_God" in the list of "posters who don't understand science".

f**k off you condescending p***k. I understand science well enough to know that it sometimes gets it wrong and I'm also aware enough of some funded science projects working backwards from its conclusions to suit.

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1 minute ago, sjc said:

No, I'm lying in bed on my smartphone about to go to sleep so not about to troll through medical journals. But the medical professionals interviewed in the article put forth their expert opinions which contradict the narrative. That'll have to do you for now.

f**k off you condescending p***k. I understand science well enough to know that it sometimes gets it wrong and I'm also aware enough of some funded science projects working backwards from its conclusions to suit.

Got you. Happy to make a claim, not happy to provide the science to back it up. Cheers for that.

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1 minute ago, sjc said:

No, I'm lying in bed on my smartphone about to go to sleep so not about to troll through medical journals. But the medical professionals interviewed in the article put forth their expert opinions which contradict the narrative. That'll have to do you for now.

f**k off you condescending p***k. I understand science well enough to know that it sometimes gets it wrong and I'm also aware enough of some funded science projects working backwards from its conclusions to suit.

Their opinions were that it was disproportionate. Not that it was fake, or man-made, or some illuminati / Bill Gates mind control plot

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Not opening gyms is a fucking joke. 

Every old jakeball in Scotland is merrily drinking and smoking themselves to death but if you want a shot of a power rack you are out luck. 

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The Oxford English Dictionary (I went with them so as not to incorporate any medical bias) define pandemic as "a disease prevalent over a whole country or the world".

Unless you're a psuedo-scientist, or support psuedo-science, there really isn't away to describe what's going on as anything other than a pandemic. Anyone who 'remains unconvinced' that this is a pandemic is showing a (most probably deliberate) misunderstanding of science.

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It's obviously a pandemic. It's whether we need restrictions on the majority of the population for who it is basically harmless. 

The Scottish government completely failed care home residents but now they are banging on about everyone wearing masks. It's totally incoherent. 

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1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

 

We’re being told to wear them in shops. Right from the start supermarkets/certain retailers were open and were busy. Think they should have been worn from the start rather than 3 months down the line but what do I know 

How have you found wearing a face covering while out for the past 3 months?

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27 minutes ago, sjc said:

I don't know. You tell me. I'm just pointing out contradictions in death data in other countries.

You need to be careful what yous say in public. They got that antimask lad in the states and now Bolsonaro. The truth is dangerous. 

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I haven’t. I’ve never liked anything covering my nose, plus I’ve always questioned the logic of breathing in exhaled air repeatedly. I think the wearing of masks here is about 3 months too late. Just don’t see the logic when new cases and deaths are so low. Anyway, we’ve been told to do it so we shall do it from tomorrow 
You are not breathing in exhaled air repeatedly. There are many videos out there of people wearing masks and O2 saturation testers, and it makes no difference.
As for the people who complain in the same sentence that masks can't stop the virus getting through, but they can stop O2 and CO2 molecules...SMFH.

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You are not breathing in exhaled air repeatedly. There are many videos out there of people wearing masks and O2 saturation testers, and it makes no difference.
As for the people who complain in the same sentence that masks can't stop the virus getting through, but they can stop O2 and CO2 molecules...SMFH.
Surgeons, dentists, tradesmen.... Just 3 examples of people who routinely wear masks for long periods of time and dont suddenly asphyxiate. Incredible that "breathing in the same air" has gained any traction whatsoever.

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16 hours ago, alta-pete said:

Has nobody else yet made the correlation between the Scottish Government’s limitations on Spain as a snide at Catalonia’s failed bid for independence? 

Anyhoo, with them having made the pointless separatist ‘point’, I’ll wager come July 20th the quarantine will be miraculously lifted. While our glorious devolved Government will have monitored the quarantining of the sum  total of, ehhh, zero airport arrivals over the two weeks.

Wha’s like us, eh???!! 
 

There's been some amount of shite posted in this thread but fucking hell :lol:

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