Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Mark Connolly]

1 minute ago, RH33 said:

What does virginton actually do for employment?

Professional c**t

[Michael W]

9 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Looks like the long list of legal actions against the UK government and possibly the Scottish government over COVID-19 care home deaths has is now underway, this is something that will hang over their heads for years and won't go away.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/matt-hancock-faces-legal-action-from-daughter-of-covid-19-care-home-victim

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/880288/COVID-19_hospital_discharge_service_requirements.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/886140/admission__and_care_of_residents_during_covid19_incident_in_a_care_home.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879639/covid-19-adult-social-care-action-plan.pdf

This is the single largest f**k up in which the Governments cannot deflect any blame. 

You don't need SAGE to tell you that if a highly contagious virus gets into a place full of old people that are not in good health, then there will a deluge of deaths. It really is that simple. 

 

[101]

14 minutes ago, Snafu said:

Looks like the long list of legal actions against the UK government and possibly the Scottish government over COVID-19 care home deaths has is now underway, this is something that will hang over their heads for years and won't go away.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/12/matt-hancock-faces-legal-action-from-daughter-of-covid-19-care-home-victim

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/880288/COVID-19_hospital_discharge_service_requirements.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/886140/admission__and_care_of_residents_during_covid19_incident_in_a_care_home.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/879639/covid-19-adult-social-care-action-plan.pdf

Is the UK government liable? I would think it would be Care Home owner or the local authority?

[Eddie Hitler]

English 'R number' going the wrong way, says Beth Rigby, via Sage

[bendan]

19 minutes ago, 101 said:

Is the UK government liable? I would think it would be Care Home owner or the local authority?

There seem to have been cases where the NHS used spare capacity in homes to free up beds in hospitals by transferring untested elderly.

[Todd_is_God]

So long as cases continue to fall overall I don't see the panic over R tbh.

This is where polititicians etc will regret focusing on such details that most people don't understand.

ETA i've spotted my typo but it's amusing so i'll leave it

Edited June 12, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[Detournement]

24 minutes ago, Michael W said:

This is the single largest f**k up in which the Governments cannot deflect any blame. 

You don't need SAGE to tell you that if a highly contagious virus gets into a place full of old people that are not in good health, then there will a deluge of deaths. It really is that simple. 

 

It's not just that.

They clearly withdrew NHS services from care home residents. 

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, pandarilla said:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18512374.common-weals-blueprint-new-scotland-grounded-reality/

Common weal have released phase 1 of their economic recovery plan.

Main ideas :

- transforming the economy doesn't need major state subsidy, any subsidies should be handed to the public in the form of vouchers

- every Scottish person should receive £100 voucher for a Scottish hotel /hospitality venue

- the Scottish national investment bank should be given the powers to be a real bank, allowing it to support small to medium sized business ideas in Scotland

- ending the public procurement deal which ties councils and other organizations into using a set provider (always a multinational owned outside Scotland). Schools and councils and the like should be able to order from local producers

A £100 voucher for a fucking hotel stay (and a £30 voucher for a local restaurant as well) is like using a sticking plaster to deal with a ruptured artery. That is a small time as f**k agenda for an organisation that styles itself on 'big ideas'. 

[Michael W]

18 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

English 'R number' going the wrong way, says Beth Rigby, via Sage

Again, a rising R is not being reflected in the daily case numbers, which are still trending down (albeit not as quickly as one would've liked) 

Either the estimate is wrong, or the initial estimate of the R number was incorrect. 

[die hard doonhamer]

17 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

So long as cases continue to fall overall I don't see the panic over R tbh.

This is where polititicians etc will regret focusing on such details that most people don't understand.

ETA i've spotted my typo but it's amusing so i'll leave it

Unless I've misunderstood R, if R gets above 1 then cases will grow (ie every infected person, on average, will infect at least 1 other). That's why.

[madwullie]

46 minutes ago, 101 said:

Is the UK government liable? I would think it would be Care Home owner or the local authority?

Read a legal blog yesterday by some big hitting legal dude that basically said the govt (wm) have got their arses totally covered in terms of liability. 

[Guest SJP79]

 

[greendot]

58 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said:

Professional c**t

Nothing professional about it 

[Todd_is_God]

27 minutes ago, die hard doonhamer said:

Unless I've misunderstood R, if R gets above 1 then cases will grow (ie every infected person, on average, will infect at least 1 other). That's why.

I understand what it means.

But, and I appreciate this is an exageration, an R of 2 with 1,000,000 mild or asymptomatic cases, for example, is not a concern, whereas an R of 0.2 with 5,000 severe cases would be.

The daily cases, so far as I am aware, are largely symptomatic cases.

So long as they keep falling I wouldn't worry.

Edited June 12, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I think you'll find that the independent and expert-led study of the Children's Commissioner blows all your self-aggrandising anecdotes out of the water in the evidence stakes. Setting a mere two hours of daily work that you don't even bother to mark is not your contracted workload. 

Is that "you" directed at me? If so you are on very dangerous ground.

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

 

Are you genuinely trying to that teachers are doing lots of work? You will then get 8 weeks of holidays in a few weeks so i dont really see how you can complain

Did you actually read the words "little it no work"?

 

You are another that does not know what myself or other teachers are doing.

 

Funny that those being furloughed on 80% pay and doing f**k all (as they are meant to be) are not demonised as teachers seem to be.

 

 

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

It's strange seeing the teachers here arguing about how hard they're working. One of my pals who's a teacher said they're doing their best and are itching to get back, but that essentially they're in the middle of the longest summer holiday ever. That's the problem with anecdotal evidence

It's also why Virginlips sweeping generalisation was so offensive.

[Miguel Sanchez]

Fantastic effort from vT re: teachers. 

The worth, accuracy or relevance of what that effort is expended on is debatable, but it's been a consistent, relentless push nonetheless.

[Ludo*1]

3 hours ago, ICTChris said:

virginton is primarily concerned with status. His ferocious streams of posting on here have concentrated on attacks on groups who have received some level of recognition during the current crisis - supermarket workers, public health officials, the careers clap and now teachers. There’s certainly a lot to criticise about many of those groups (although I doubt many people had “Tesco shelf stackers” as an obvious target for trolling) but the consistency of the targeting is what’s interesting. Any group who receives praise and recognition has to be knocked down, it’s a zero sum game.

One thing that’s really fascinating is the introduction in the last few posts of insulting people based on their degree (“Desmond here” etc). This is a real indication of the underlying motivations And bitterness behind this. How can a shelf stacker receive any recognition above me? They don’t even have a higher educations! Teachers, pah! most of them barely scraped a 2:1. This thinking is something you occasionally see among people who are high achievers educationally, particularly those who do so in subjects or areas that don’t have direct career paths, for example PPE or History. It’s driven by the underlying knowledge that all their intelligence and achievements does guarantee a satisfying or rewarding (financially or otherwise) life. the kids at school who picked on them and now work as tradesmen probably have more money and happiness.

Nietzsche wrote that the emotion he called “Ressentiment” was the result of reassigning your pain and sense of inferiority onto an external force or enemy and then pickling your personality around that resentment and pain. He also said that the highest calling for a man was to “become who you are” - sadly for the people who exhibit these tendencies the niggling resentments and imagined slights prevent this from ever happening with “become who you feel you deserve to be based on your early to mid education” being a poor substitute.

That is some slap down. Oft.

[Donathan]

An R of slightly above 1 isn’t a total disaster btw. The difference between 1.1 and 0.9 is pretty much minuscule. The problem was when the R was between 2.5 and 4 in early March.