engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just now, welshbairn said: They've been around as long as the common cold. They developed several vaccines for SARS1 but it withered away due to suppression and/or mutation before they got final approval to go into production. But it wasn't a success is what I'm saying which is why the view that life cant go on as normal until a vaccine is found is totally absurd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Herd immunity and finding out the best treatment are the ways to beat a virus. Herd immunity is so, so far away and requires a huge number of deaths and infections. It is without doubt the most stupid policy to control a virus, mainly because the entire policy is about not controlling it at all. Edited May 19, 2020 by The Moonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: But it wasn't a success is what I'm saying which is why the view that life cant go on as normal until a vaccine is found is totally absurd They were pretty much there but there was no point in spending a fortune on a vaccine for a virus that was no longer a threat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: They were pretty much there but there was no point in spending a fortune on a vaccine for a virus that was no longer a threat. So no vaccine was found then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I notice that Liam Gallagher and Ian Brown were due to appear at Trnsmt, both of whom are not in the first flush of youth "Former Oasis front man dies from Corona virus caught from spotty teenage w****r at crappy Scottish event..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: The big worry for you is the crowd pleasing classics just don't quite hit the mark like they used to. You've nae ideas, nae strategy in place to deal with the coming supersedence. Posting advice from an eternal zero pointer like yourself is about as useful as Kate and Gerry McCann's parenting tips. Get back in your box. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Herd immunity is so, so far away and requires a huge number of deaths and infections. It is without doubt the most stupid policy to control a virus, mainly because the entire policy is about not controlling it at all. Until antibody testing is done UK wide we won't know the % that has had the virus. If it is contagious as thought and with the UK's lackadaisical approach, many more will have had it than thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, engelbert_humperdink said: So no vaccine was found then They found several, they were at the final stage of testing when the virus stopped being an issue. Herd immunity isn't a magic panacea either, it depends on the length of immunity and we're not even sure if we become immune at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Herd immunity is so, so far away and requires a huge number of deaths and infections. It is without doubt the most stupid policy to control a virus, mainly because the entire policy is about not controlling it at all. It's not quite as stupid as shutting down your economy and effectively burning billions of pounds in a giant furnace every week over course of months, while still failing to achieve a lower death toll than an open society aiming at herd immunity. Which is where we are in the UK right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Until antibody testing is done UK wide we won't know the % that has had the virus. If it is contagious as thought and with the UK's lackadaisical approach, many more will have had it than thought Literally every expert on the subject says it's a ludicrous thing to aim for. It's categorically not "the best way to beat a virus". 1 minute ago, virginton said: It's not quite as stupid as shutting down your economy and effectively burning billions of pounds in a giant furnace every week over course of months, while still failing to achieve a lower death toll than an open society aiming at herd immunity. Which is where we are in the UK right now. As above, that doesn't make it "the best way to beat a virus". It may well be the best of a bunch of truly shite options we've been left with right now because of the incompetency of our government, but the best way to beat a virus is clearly controlling the thing entering your country and isolating known cases. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Who's this wifey on the daily briefing? Absolute nightmare over not particularly difficult questions. No wonder we are in such a state if that is the quality of people making decisions or advising on policy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Going well in the French schools I see. Cant wait until June 1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: He probably just spends every waking minute wondering why his parents didn't name him Jean Claude That’s probably his big brother’s name. #seething 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Until antibody testing is done UK wide we won't know the % that has had the virus. If it is contagious as thought and with the UK's lackadaisical approach, many more will have had it than thought And if they haven't then we're in bother. There is no proof either way and studies are pretty inconclusive. Some say hardly any have it, some say loads have it. I get that people are getting bored of and frustrated with lockdown, but crossing our fingers isn't going to make things any different. Just binning the lockdown isn't going to magically fix the economy unless a large percentage of people are found to be immune. I hope they are, but hoping isn't the same as it happening. Have they actually discovered if you can get immunity from having it yet, or is that still an assumption? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engelbert_humperdink Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: They found several, they were at the final stage of testing when the virus stopped being an issue. Herd immunity isn't a magic panacea either, it depends on the length of immunity and we're not even sure if we become immune at all. Herd immunity has been successful throughout history, no doubt safer than taking a vaccine in 18 months time. The deaths have been tragic but we can't wrap healthy people up in cotton wool. Not to sound horrid bust the vast majority of deaths were people with underlying health issues that another possible infection could lead to death. The numbers are inflated because the government purposely sent bed blocking elderly patients back into care homes with no testing and little to no PPE for staff, basically the modern day equivalent of Stalin's work camps. Younger care workers dying would probably be accounted to the Virus load. There was no need imo for these levels of hysteria. The government knew fine well before the virus arrived here the vulnerable groups but instead of protecting them, they were thrown to the lions resulting in needless deaths. Because of this for the last 8 weeks the freedoms and the security of healthy people has been taken away from them. Vulnerable people should have been isolated and the rest allowed to go on as normal to build herd immunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Honest_Man#1 said: Easy for you to say if you’re a young, relatively healthy person that it likely won’t seriously affect. The selfish ‘f**k the old, they’ve had their time’ attitude you continue to spout is starting to grate on a lot of people now. I’ve never once said that. I just don’t understand how or why we should continue living this way indefinitely. The experts have already said there may never be a vaccine for it, so do we just shut down life and live in fear? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 29 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: I think there's quite a few posters on here when looking back will be embarrassed over some of their comments. A lot of doom mongers and pessimists on here Probably the same folk that though the Millennium Bug would wipe them out 14 minutes ago, virginton said: It's not quite as stupid as shutting down your economy and effectively burning billions of pounds in a giant furnace every week over course of months, while still failing to achieve a lower death toll than an open society aiming at herd immunity. Which is where we are in the UK right now. Exactly this. Entire industries are “wiped out” now. Thousand of fit and healthy people in said industries sitting on the scrap heap right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: He probably just spends every waking minute wondering why his parents didn't name him Jean Claude Or Penfold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taurus Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Who's this wifey on the daily briefing? Absolute nightmare over not particularly difficult questions. No wonder we are in such a state if that is the quality of people making decisions or advising on policy. She wasn't too happy with the questions she was asked . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, engelbert_humperdink said: Herd immunity has been successful throughout history, no doubt safer than taking a vaccine in 18 months time. For who? Vaccinations work together with herd immunity to protect the vulnerable who can't take the vaccine, like pregnant women. They're worried about a large outbreak of measles at the moment because immunity might be dropping below 90%, thanks to the antivaxxer community. To build up that kind of immunity without a vaccine by stopping all measures to slow it down would mean accepting a huge death toll, when a vaccine could be available in a few months. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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