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Just now, Honest_Man#1 said:

Are you seriously suggesting that if we had not gone into lockdown then excess deaths would be the same as they are now?

Yes

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4 minutes ago, SlipperyP said:

How many NHS staff died during the 'bad flu' outbreak? Hope you have these figures.  If not shut the f**k up.

Do you?

I don't know why that's specifically important.

The failure of the government to ensure NHS staff are supplied with adequate PPE is not reason alone for a lockdown

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5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Yes

There's one massive difference which I think you're overlooking - if you've got the flu, you don't go round and hug your granny.

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Just now, EvilScotsman said:

There's one massive difference which I think you're overlooking - if you've got the flu, you don't go round and hug your granny.

If i had covid-19 i wouldn't go and hug her either...

Up to 75% of flu cases are asymptomatic, btw, before you talk about not knowing you have it.

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Flu is nowhere near as contagious as this is. This has spread about while there is a lockdown on. That we're even still talking about this in May is utterly bizarre

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Well no, it's impossible to hide excess deaths as all deaths are recorded.
50,000 excess deaths in the UK is broadly similar to the 50,100 excess deaths in England and Wales alone from the last 'bad flu' outbreak in 2016/17 which, despite us having effective flu vaccines already developed, and concentrating it's deaths on an extremely similar demographic as Covid-19, raised not a peep, nevermind a several months long shutdown of the economy and severe restrictions on what people can and cannot do.
Weekly all cause mortality stats. Yup, looks just like 2016-17
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1 minute ago, madwullie said:

This has spread about while there is a lockdown on.

At least you agree it's ineffective

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Few Covid-19 thoughts

1 - Does furlough through to the end October suggest that the government think this will all be over by then?

2 - Seems to me the teachers union are enjoying being off just now. Doesn't seem to be any appetite for going back from them and offering no solutions on how to overcome this.

3 - Now that Northern Ireland has given out a rough path out of lockdown, leaves just Wales and Scotland. I wonder if we (if tomorrow's weekly death stats drop again) might get one before too long (end of the week maybe?)

4 - Am I right in thinking Sunak hasn't given any details on furlough for August onwards, so we're all left to speculate how it'll work from then on?

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1 minute ago, madwullie said:

Flu is nowhere near as contagious as this is. This has spread about while there is a lockdown on. That we're even still talking about this in May is utterly bizarre

To be fair 'we're' not really talking about this in May.

One poster who has clearly been set on the conclusion of 'there was no need for a lockdown' since about March is talking about it. Its been very obvious from their posts over this whole period that they were going to come to the same conclusion regardless of what actually happened.

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2 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Seems to me the teachers union are enjoying being off just now. Doesn't seem to be any appetite for going back from them and offering no solutions on how to overcome this.

I have a friend who is a teacher. He's fairly confident the union won't allow a return in Scotland before the end of the summer holidays, as well as demanding extra pay if teachers are asked to come in to schools over the holidays

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There’s zero point in schools going back now. How it’s even being discussed is beyond me.

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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

I have a friend who is a teacher. He's fairly confident the union won't allow a return in Scotland before the end of the summer holidays, as well as demanding extra pay if teachers are asked to come in to schools over the holidays

Good grief. Now is surely not the time to be demanding extra pay. I thought we were all in this together?

(Does this hint at there's a train of thought that the schools might possibly return early?)

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3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I have a friend who is a teacher. He's fairly confident the union won't allow a return in Scotland before the end of the summer holidays, as well as demanding extra pay if teachers are asked to come in to schools over the holidays

Now you’re at it!

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Just now, Steven W said:

Good grief. Now is surely not the time to be demanding extra pay. I thought we were all in this together?

(Does this hint at there's a train of thought that the schools might possibly return early?)

Why wouldn't we demand extra pay if we are forced to come in over the school holidays?

Do you work for free for your employer?

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Well, the 'guidance' now is to wear masks in certain circumstances.
Just to recap somewhat....
On 12 th March, the government decided against tracking and tracing. They'd been asleep
at the wheel, and it was too late for that.  In addition, there ideology had spent years chipping away at, and privatising
public services, so there were no resources immediately available to them anyway.
Me ? As soon as the lockdown was announced, I looked at what I had.
My hobby is messing around with cars, so I had some disposable gloves that mechanics use. Typically these
cost £5 at most, for a box of 50 pairs. I also had a couple of face masks that I use, with protective glasses, when
I'm scraping around under a car. 
So  I had some kit , and wore them for shopping right from the get go.
Couple of weeks in, time to get some more. 
With health workers crying out for PPE, where to find some ?
Only place I could see was eBay.  
Ordered a pack of 10 masks from an eBay seller that seemed to have better feedback rating than others.
That's the light blue coloured ones that you see around. Price £11.45. 
8 days later the gloves arrived. Package fitted in 'Large Letter' envelope,
so postage relatively small.  The 'real' price' of these masks in normal circumstances, retail, I'd guestimate to be about £2, £3 max.
The first one I tried , the elastic earband separated from the main mask as I put it on.
Gloves....   The best I could find on eBay was a box of 50 pairs.  £11.99.
Gloves arrived within 3 or 4 days. Quality OK.  I go for Nitrile gloves, non allergenic.
 
My question is...., if guidance now is to wear masks, are we supposed to buy everything
from eBay profiteers ?    Where are we supposed to obtain the things ?
Look for my previous post on this thread very early About ebay profiteering.
As a buyer you hold all the cards and dubious sellers can be easily made to refund. That's all I'm saying.

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13 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

At least you agree it's ineffective

Only if you think it wouldn't have spread more with no lockdown. Effective isn't black or white. But of course you know what I meant 

Edited by madwullie

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47 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

It's only 80% if your employer agrees to contribute to bring it up to that amount, govt will not be paying 80% beyond July.

There seems to be mixed messages in regards to that (there’s a surprise). 

Edited by Thereisalight..

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