Granny Danger Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Seriously, it's unusual to find such bone headed certainty in one who's already reached thirty. I'm not "white knighting" anyone. Rather, I don't wish death upon church goers, and recognise that religion has some value. You are. You’re defending people who are irrational whilst claiming that you, yourself, are not irrational. That’s not very rational. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dele said: People live their life devoting most of it to an actor/musician/poet = weirdo stalker. People live their life devoting most of it to a fallacy in the sky = having some value. ^^^ has restraining order from Chesney Hawkes IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, The OP said: I definitely think you can have a decent set of morals without relying entirely on a handful of writers living 2000 years ago and discouraging belief in bullshit is generally worthwhile. Of course no religious conviction is necessary for the possession of morals. Who suggested otherwise? The "bullshit" might of course provide comfort, belonging and hope to people. Because you've rejected it though, apparently everyone should. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 27 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Religion doesn’t deserve sophistication, it deserves disdain. Sophistication affords it a level of validity that it has no claim to. Maybe that’s difficult for you to understand given your inability to distinguish between provable facts and beliefs. Pipe down, you believed the nonsense written on the side of the Brexit bus. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 35 minutes ago, super_carson said: Haha so do I to be honest, luckily the specialist teacher sends it out. I'm a big fan of the AR programme as kids can see their progress and it helps them choose the right level of book! The additional needs thing fits into the theme of this thread somewhat. Its down to cuts in specialist facilities and training for staff but also down to parental decisions to have their children in a mainstream school. Sometimes its wholly inappropriate for them to be there, but we just have to get on with it I guess! I was training in early 00’s but left due mental health issues. Finished a BA in ‘18 planning to do post grad. Did some time in schools and decided it was riddled with policy and politics that would see me sacked fairy sharpish Maybe in part because I wasn’t a daft 19 yr old kid looking at the profession. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: You are. You’re defending people who are irrational whilst claiming that you, yourself, are not irrational. That’s not very rational. I'm defending their right to be what you, and maybe even I, might consider irrational. You want them dead. A rational outlook? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: Of course no religious conviction is necessary for the possession of morals. Who suggested otherwise? The "bullshit" might of course provide comfort, belonging and hope to people. Because you've rejected it though, apparently everyone should. You seem to think I am arguing with points you have made. A tad arrogant on your part. Everyone should avoid believing in things which aren’t true though. Correctamundo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, The OP said: It is bizarre that good people and intelligent people believe religious nonsense but from experience they often do. the thing with religious folk is that you need to be able to discern those who have faith from those who believe. having faith is fine - if you're sufficiently empty-headed to have to give your life meaning and structure by aspiring to some cretinous vision of heaven then, well, get on with it i suppose; if it makes you feel good that you can celebrate christmas and easter and stuff at a 'higher level' than just drinking too much and binge-watching shite football, go ahead, knock yourself out; meet up with your like-minded friends and have a good time - the value in this, such as it is, is that is makes these folk feel happy, content, complete - that kinda stuff - and who the f**k am i to deny them that any more than i should deny folk happiness about leeds united winning ? they're wrong, sadly deluded and - in the second instance - a bit cuntish, but so what, really - diff'rent strokes an' all... the instant that you start actually believing any of that shit is actually true, and something more than just a sop for the terminally feeble minded, that's different then you become a dangerous b*****d because that means that you think that those who do not share your beliefs are somehow wrong, that you're better than them and that they deserve punishment, and to go down that route on the basis of a bullshit fantasy makes you deluded and borderline insane - get the f**k away from me.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 16 minutes ago, The OP said: It is bizarre that good people and intelligent people believe religious nonsense but from experience they often do. Living your life according to obviously fictitious nonsense is very daft but tact generally prevents you from saying so in real life. Online it’s easier to be more disdainful and the term “sky fairy” seems entirely apt for an interventionist god. I definitely think you can have a decent set of morals without relying entirely on a handful of writers living 2000 years ago and discouraging belief in bullshit is generally worthwhile. The club you support benefits from religious bigotry. You’re in no place to take the moral high ground. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Gimps on here think socialism will solve all the problems with the country. People believe in all sorts of crazy things. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Just now, Theroadlesstravelled said: The club you support benefits from religious bigotry. You’re in no place to take the moral high ground. What an utterly illogical statement. I would concede that if irish catholics weren’t historically treated with disdain and my father weren’t a catholic before growing some common sense I might not support Celtic. It doesn’t mean I should not have opinions on religion, that’s fucking ridiculous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said: A poll on one of the Scottish news sites asking if people think lockdown measures should start to be lifted after Thur. Suprised that only 22% think they should be. With daily death rates falling dramatically it’s clear they’re buying into the original scaremongering regarding it Here's my take on it. I don't want them lifted on Thursday. I think a 2 or 3 week extension should be announced, to allow new infections to continue to fall even further. After 6 weeks already, another few weeks won't be the end of the world, particularly when you know it will be the final extension. However, NS spoke of an "adult conversation" The time for that is now. How does the Scottish Government plan to lift the lockdown, and are they open to being flexible on the pace should trends elsewhere reflect positively on the impact of lifting them? This will allow businesses and the public to plan for what June will look like, and the start of the return to normality. I don't want to hear patronising "new normal" pish either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Herman Hessian said: the thing with religious folk is that you need to be able to discern those who have faith from those who believe. having faith is fine - if you're sufficiently empty-headed to have to give your life meaning and structure by aspiring to some cretinous vision of heaven then, well, get on with it i suppose; if it makes you feel good that you can celebrate christmas and easter and stuff at a 'higher level' than just drinking too much and binge-watching shite football, go ahead, knock yourself out; meet up with your like-minded friends and have a good time - the value in this, such as it is, is that is makes these folk feel happy, content, complete - that kinda stuff - and who the f**k am i to deny them that any more than i should deny folk happiness about leeds united winning ? they're wrong, sadly deluded and - in the second instance - a bit cuntish, but so what, really - diff'rent strokes an' all... the instant that you start actually believing any of that shit is actually true, and something more than just a sop for the terminally feeble minded, that's different then you become a dangerous b*****d because that means that you think that those who do not share your beliefs are somehow wrong, that you're better than them and that they deserve punishment, and to go down that route on the basis of a bullshit fantasy makes you deluded and borderline insane - get the f**k away from me.... You sound a wee bit like a dangerous b*****d because you think that those who do not share your beliefs are somehow wrong, that you're better than them and that they deserve punishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Here's my take on it. I don't want them lifted on Thursday. I think a 2 or 3 week extension should be announced, to allow new infections to continue to fall even further. After 6 weeks already, another few weeks won't be the end of the world, particularly when you know it will be the final extension. However, NS spoke of an "adult conversation" The time for that is now. How does the Scottish Government plan to lift the lockdown, and are they open to being flexible on the pace should trends elsewhere reflect positively on the impact of lifting them? This will allow businesses and the public to plan for what June will look like, and the start of the return to normality. I don't want to hear patronising "new normal" pish either. I think simple things like travelling to nearby places in the countryside for walks etc should be allowed. There’s a place 8 miles from here that I’m itching to get to for a walk. I’d still be able to social distance. Things like shops/hairdressers etc should open again by the beginning of June imo. “New normal” does my head in 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 There is only going to be an end to the lockdown once a plan is actually in place to stop a second peek. It's all very well getting deaths down towards zero, but we have reliable test + trace, Poe and face masks for the public that is when something resembling normality canterirb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I think simple things like travelling to nearby places in the countryside for walks etc should be allowed. There’s a place 8 miles from here that I’m itching to get to for a walk. I’d still be able to social distance. Things like shops/hairdressers etc should open again by the beginning of June imo. “New normal” does my head inYou do realise that there is nothing stopping you going to the place 8 miles away for a walk? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: I think simple things like travelling to nearby places in the countryside for walks etc should be allowed. There’s a place 8 miles from here that I’m itching to get to for a walk. I’d still be able to social distance. Just go. You are not going to get fined and let's face it, if it's not busy then it doesn't go against the spirit of the lockdown/nothing morally wrong it. Edited May 3, 2020 by Turkmenbashi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 It was clear the Government had planned for lockdown until June as soon as they announced furlough would be until then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 It was clear the Government had planned for lockdown until June as soon as they announced furlough would be until then. Good. That’s a good thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: You do realise that there is nothing stopping you going to the place 8 miles away for a walk? There is as the Forestry have shut it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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