Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[The Moonster]

1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

I'm working in a building with another 800 people and travelling to and from work in a crowded train and walking through a City Centre at rush hour, is that not more of a risk than attending a workshop with 35 people ???

Yes. Just because the advice here in the UK is different doesn't mean it's the right course of action.

[Guest JTS98]

3 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

I'm working in a building with another 800 people and travelling to and from work in a crowded train and walking through a City Centre at rush hour, is that not more of a risk than attending a workshop with 35 people ???

The question is what can be reasonably avoided. If a meeting with 35 other people can be avoided, then it should be.

Just as the German government are saying that if using public transport can be avoided, then it should be. And quite a few companies have decided that if being in the office can be avoided, then it should be.

You realise that the people advising cutting down contact with other people are the experts in this field?

Edited March 11, 2020 by JTS98

[Hedgecutter]

7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Yes. Just because the advice here in the UK is different doesn't mean it's the right course of action.

Eta: the current "f*** knows how bad this thing could be" approach certainly has some parallels with the original:

 

Edited March 11, 2020 by Hedgecutter

[Guest]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

The question is what can be reasonably avoided. If a meeting with 35 other people can be avoided, then it should be.

Just as the German government are saying that if using public transport can be avoided, then it should be.

Fair enough, however I'm assuming the likes of Frankfurt is still operating, so what's the difference between 300 people working together on a floor of an open plan office to 35 going on a workshop ?

My personal thoughts would be that it's easy to cancel a workshop but a different kettle of fish to shutdown whole offices / buildings etc from a financial perspective.

[Bairnardo]

In the end of the day, it can be difficult to comprehend the actions being taken against the potential personal effect it might take, eg as a 34 year old with no health issues, I stand to suffer a touch of flu basically.

It's not about that though. It's about the entire infrastructure, services etc that make daily life possible not being ground to a halt. The stock market hasnt been absolutely rinsed for no reason. It's already happening. You dont need to look far, the panic buying etc is just an early symptom of what could go wrong.

And all of that is just some reasoning for those who have no concern whatsoever about the millions of people that will die if it goes unchecked. So really, a couoke of decent explanations why it is as it is.

Crisis management 101. Go in hard, then scale back, because it's easier to do that than go softly then scale up.

[Suspect Device]

I was worried about going to Amsterdam on Saturday got a Happy Monday's gig but my wife has bought me a Hazmat suit. (Bezmat suit).

 

Edited March 11, 2020 by Suspect Device

[Guest JTS98]

5 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Fair enough, however I'm assuming the likes of Frankfurt is still operating, so what's the difference between 300 people working together on a floor of an open plan office to 35 going on a workshop ?

My personal thoughts would be that it's easy to cancel a workshop but a different kettle of fish to shutdown whole offices / buildings etc from a financial perspective.

I don't doubt that there are economic concerns which will make this worse. There seems to be almost no doubt based on what we're hearing from experts that the smartest thing to do at the moment is keep people away from each other as much as possible, yet economic concerns keep us going to work, keep kids at school, keep people catching trains and using planes etc.

But I think the basic point that anything that can reasonably be avoided should be avoided is fairly easy to understand.

It's why there are football matches taking place with nobody there to watch, it's why music festivals and tech events are being cancelled. It's just the smart thing to do.

Edited March 11, 2020 by JTS98

[johnnydun]

To save me reading the past 10 pages of shite,

Can someone explain in one post what I have missed surrounding the @D.A.F.C saga?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

I don't doubt that there are economic concerns which will make this worse. There seems to be almost no doubt based on what we're hearing from experts that the smartest thing to do at the moment is keep people away from each other as much as possible, yet economic concerns keep us going to work, keep kids at school, keep people catching trains and using planes etc.

But I think the basic point that anything that can reasonably be avoided should be avoided is fairly easy to understand.

It's why there are football matches taking place with nobody there to watch, it's why music festivals and tech events are being cancelled. It's just the smart thing to do.

There's absolutely no consistency though, there was a capacity crowd at Leipzig last night and our very own Government are telling us that there's "no risk" with outdoor events, hence 60,000 + at Cheltenham, even as I type.

Edited March 11, 2020 by WATTOO

[Bairnardo]

To save me reading the past 10 pages of shite,
Can someone explain in one post what I have missed surrounding the [mention=59448]D.A.F.C[/mention] saga?

Medium version; Everyone has the exact same opportunities in life. It is essentially your own fault if you are poor since all you have to do is work harder/be better.

TL:DR version; D.A.F.C outed as a tory

[Hedgecutter]

5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

ICrisis management 101. Go in hard, then scale back, because it's easier to do that than go softly then scale up.

^^^ Scottish football steward found.

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

There's absolutely no consistency though, there was a capacity crowd at Leipzig last night and our very own Government are telling us that there's "no risk" with outdoor events, hence 60,000 + at Cheltenham, even as I type.

Again, I think it's sensible to follow the basic advice from experts, which has been pretty consistent in that people should minimise contact with each other. This is epidemic 101 stuff.

I'd be less than inclined to get myself along to Cheltenham, or to a packed football stadium at the moment. People will make their own choices, but as I mentioned before, and others have mentioned, we are looking at a huge strain being put on emergency services and not taking precautions to stop that is just irresponsible.

We don't need to imagine this being bad. It already is bad and is going to spread much more widely very soon. We know that for sure, so why people would not take the very simple precautions that have been recommended all along baffles me.

This is killing people and will kill a lot more. Add in the knock-on effect of it being more difficult for people to make use of emergency services for other situations (car crashes, stabbings, heart attacks etc) and cancelling non-essential work meetings just seems like a complete no-brainer. I don't get the issue with it.

[tongue_tied_danny]

I was in Lidl in Dundee city centre earlier. The white pasta is sold out but the whole wheat pasta is virtually untouched. 

I can only assume that Dundonians want to be healthy, but just not that healthy...

[Hedgecutter]

2 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Again, I think it's sensible to follow the basic advice from experts, which has been pretty consistent in that people should minimise contact with each other. This is epidemic 101 stuff.

"Connie, let's issue statements advising people not to panic, to stay home and take cover."

[Gaz]

15 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

To save me reading the past 10 pages of shite,

Can someone explain in one post what I have missed surrounding the @D.A.F.C saga?

He went off on one yesterday early afternoon claiming that all sorts of people were feckless for living week-to-week and not having savings to cater for something like this, instead getting into debt to buy cars, holidays, tellies and so on. Then he apologised later on yesterday for being a walloper. And today he's back doing the same thing

[Gaz]

1 minute ago, Hedgecutter said:

"Connie, let's issue statements advising people not to panic, to stay home and take cover."

 

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If BoJo gives a speech even a quarter as good as President Whitmore's at the end of Independence Day then I'll ditch every one of my socialist roots and vote Tory for the rest of my life.

The lad nearly had me upping my job and moving across to the States to fight a fictional war against fictional aliens. What a speech.

[johnnydun]

28 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Medium version; Everyone has the exact same opportunities in life. It is essentially your own fault if you are poor since all you have to do is work harder/be better.

TL:DR version; D.A.F.C outed as a tory

 

13 minutes ago, Gaz said:

He went off on one yesterday early afternoon claiming that all sorts of people were feckless for living week-to-week and not having savings to cater for something like this, instead getting into debt to buy cars, holidays, tellies and so on. Then he apologised later on yesterday for being a walloper. And today he's back doing the same thing

Thank you.

Sounds like he has no clue.

[ICTChris]

Covid-19 officially declared a pandemic.

Always reminds me of the Wire, where they would call their drugs pandemics.

“Got those pandemics, pandemics”

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Again, I think it's sensible to follow the basic advice from experts, which has been pretty consistent in that people should minimise contact with each other. This is epidemic 101 stuff.

I'd be less than inclined to get myself along to Cheltenham, or to a packed football stadium at the moment. People will make their own choices, but as I mentioned before, and others have mentioned, we are looking at a huge strain being put on emergency services and not taking precautions to stop that is just irresponsible.

We don't need to imagine this being bad. It already is bad and is going to spread much more widely very soon. We know that for sure, so why people would not take the very simple precautions that have been recommended all along baffles me.

This is killing people and will kill a lot more. Add in the knock-on effect of it being more difficult for people to make use of emergency services for other situations (car crashes, stabbings, heart attacks etc) and cancelling non-essential work meetings just seems like a complete no-brainer. I don't get the issue with it.

I don't disagree with what you're saying however Governments are trying to balance the Economy against Health risks and I doubt if that will result in a favourable outcome for the masses.

Don't get me wrong, I don't envy their position as whatever decision they make it'll have serious repercussions for years / decades to come. The problem just now is that they are failing to make ANY decisions unlike the likes of the Italians, over and above this they're contradicting themselves on an almost daily basis regarding the actual risks this outbreak is causing.

As for "packed football stadiums", fortunately I don't need to worry about that one being an Ayr fan !!!

[Florentine_Pogen]

Tis’ offishully a pandemic.