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NHS Crisis level status started on 17 March, I assume the lockdown will follow that. 

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1 hour ago, yoda said:

Where's this "talk"? Most of the reports I've seen on the news are just assuming that the lockdown will be continued, despite the "three week review". The only people who seem to think it'll be lifted any time soon are the Facebook Ma and Facebook Da who assumed that the government's three week review meant an actual three week lockdown.

We'll be in lockdown until at least the start of June. When it is lifted, it'll be very slow and methodical. Pubs and restaurants are not going to be open by the middle of June. And people can forget about holidays given the well documented spread of imported cases in places like China and Singapore. Social distancing is still going to be in place even when the lockdown is slowly lifted.

I could be wrong, but I probably won't be. Buckle the f**k up and settle down for many more weeks and months of this; there might be brief moments when restrictions are lifted but they'll be temporary. 

When you say “in lockdown until at least the start of June” I assume you mean all non-essential businesses being closed until then.  If you do I think you’re wrong.

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28 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Anyone hazard a guess when places like Barbers/hairdressers will be open? I’m needing a haircut asap

Get the pudding bowl out...

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4 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The first case of this virus was reported in Wuhan on 1st January. 

There's no possibility that this existed in Scotland earlier than that, no matter how ill people were. 

 

 

I very much doubt there would have been cases in Scotland in 2019, but Wuhan is widely believed to have had cases in December, and probably back to November.

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41 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said:

No one will be leaving this country this year on holiday. I reckon by this time next year there will be strict conditions getting into other countries. Health safety certificates will need to be produced for countries like America. It's mental getting in there at the best of times.

 

"No, that's just the doctor's bad handwriting on the certificate. It definitely says diarrhoea and not gonorrhoea..."

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I had someone earlier (who isn't a UK citizen) tell me that the lockdown only technically applies to British citizens and there's actually a loophole where it doesn't technically apply to foreigners.  I thought that sounded like nonsense, but surely that's not true.

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5 minutes ago, Highland Capital said:

I had someone earlier (who isn't a UK citizen) tell me that the lockdown only technically applies to British citizens and there's actually a loophole where it doesn't technically apply to foreigners.  I thought that sounded like nonsense, but surely that's not true.

If it’s a Sunday and you use a crossbow there’s nothing they can do. 

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21 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

When you say “in lockdown until at least the start of June” I assume you mean all non-essential businesses being closed until then.  If you do I think you’re wrong.

What businesses do you think will be open? 

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52 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Anyone hazard a guess when places like Barbers/hairdressers will be open? I’m needing a haircut asap

Shave it

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25 minutes ago, tamthebam said:

Get the pudding bowl out...

I can’t hold the bowl, a mirror and scissors at the same time..sadly 

1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:

Shave it

I don’t want to be a baldy 

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4 hours ago, woolf said:

Gallons of water mate 👍
Been there and feel your pain,try stay calm as most likely it’ll pass in a few days.Best of luck.

Thanks, mate. At this stage, I go between thinking I've definitely got it and not being too sure. Were there moments when the early symptoms seemed to come and go, or was it pretty consistent for you? My temperature and lethargy disappeared yesterday (Day 2) during the day, before returning at night. They remained with me for much of today and now seem to have disappeared once again.

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Just now, yoda said:

What businesses do you think will be open? 

I don’t know, I was asking you a question.

My point is that there is only so long that businesses can remain closed before the impact on the economy causes irreparable damage.  The payment of wages for furloughed workers will go a fair bit of the way to ameliorating the financial impact on businesses but wage costs are only a part of a businesses’ costs.  

If businesses start to fold people will lose their jobs, it is already being reported that if this happens it will impact most severely on people who are already on low incomes and in insecure employment.

I am not arguing for the lockdown to be lifted, but it is a fact that there will be an economic tipping point that will become part of the equation.

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26 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

 

I don’t want to be a baldy 

^^^head like a ten bob bit

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21 minutes ago, The Real Saints said:

Thanks, mate. At this stage, I go between thinking I've definitely got it and not being too sure. Were there moments when the early symptoms seemed to come and go, or was it pretty consistent for you? My temperature and lethargy disappeared yesterday (Day 2) during the day, before returning at night. They remained with me for much of today and now seem to have disappeared once again.

I had what you've described to the letter a few weeks ago. The symptoms being kind of on and off (well always there but really ranging in severity) and it only lasting for three or four days made me think it wasn't Covid at the time. A few other folk I know had the same thing, so at the very least it was some kind of fluey thing going around. I also had a loss of taste, which I don't ever remember getting before and seems to be talked about with Covid, so f**k knows.

Anyway, get better soon 👍

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49 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I don’t know, I was asking you a question.

My point is that there is only so long that businesses can remain closed before the impact on the economy causes irreparable damage.  The payment of wages for furloughed workers will go a fair bit of the way to ameliorating the financial impact on businesses but wage costs are only a part of a businesses’ costs.  

If businesses start to fold people will lose their jobs, it is already being reported that if this happens it will impact most severely on people who are already on low incomes and in insecure employment.

I am not arguing for the lockdown to be lifted, but it is a fact that there will be an economic tipping point that will become part of the equation.

The majority of economists (according to the FT) think that lifting the lockdown too soon will cause more damage than keeping it in place. The government has stepped up to the plate but it needs to keep at it: it needs to be employer and consumer of last resort. There's a magic money tree and they need to use it. 

I know that there's only so long businesses can remain closed, but there's an uncomfortable trade-off that needs to be made until the infection and virus is under control. Job losses are going to happen, it sounds callous but it's the reality of the situation. I say that as someone who is effectively unemployed and will be signing on to the dole as soon as he can.

Some restrictions will probably be lifted come the summer. And perhaps some businesses will be allowed to reopen. However, and this is what my initial post alluded to, we're not going to be back to a pre-March way of life. Lockdown restrictions will be in place, and any rollback will be barely noticeable for most of us.

I've posted this before but I'll post it again; the message is a bit melodramatic but the point stands.

 

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The first case of this virus was reported in Wuhan on 1st January. 
There's no possibility that this existed in Scotland earlier than that, no matter how ill people were. 
 
 

First case was reported on 17th November (retrospectively) and was already causing enough of an issue for China to report the unknown disease to WHO late December, hence why it is COVID-19 and not 20.

Your point still stands though, it did not exist in Scotland prior. There is enough data to track the general spread and absurd people still say they have had it prior to mid/late January.

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