Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[jimbaxters]

17 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Yup. Death by natural causes by folk who were at death's door and would be pan breed in six months anyway. Think I'd rather a quick death by ole Rona than rotting away in a care home, not even aware that a fart would probably blow me over. There had also been a mild influenza season the winter prior to March 2020 making these punters ripe for harvesting, sad as that may be.

Agree with your sentiment but the way you're referring to people's family members dying needs looked at. There's something about his thread either brings out the dark side or shows posters for what they are. 

[Elixir]

There is nothing dark about 80+ year olds dying of natural causes. Things should have been done to try and prevent them catching it, as I outlined above, but if they do despite that then it is simply part of life. Deal with it.

[jimbaxters]

2 hours ago, Elixir said:

There is nothing dark about 80+ year olds dying of natural causes. Things should have been done to try and prevent them catching it, as I outlined above, but if they do despite that then it is simply part of life. Deal with it.

No but phrases like "ripe for harvesting" make you look like a dick. Again, either brings out a dark side of you or that's what you actually are.

Edited October 6, 2022 by jimbaxters

[Elixir]

2 hours ago, jimbaxters said:

No but phrases like "ripe for harvesting" make you look like a dick. Again, either brings out a dark side of you or that's what you actually are.

It's an internet forum. If it was a real world situation requiring compassion, compassion would be shown.

[Detournement]

We're not going to be given by excess deaths by vaccine status but this seems like a decent proxy for it.

[Detournement]

On 05/10/2022 at 11:38, Elixir said:

Ukraine flag to show she's against authoritarianism, though. Definitely no hypocrisy at play to keep the grift going.

Plus, there's always more about just how seriously China continues to take Covid:

A completely unsourced claim from the people who brought you Kim Jong Un is dead, Kim Jong Un is dead again, Kim shot his uncle with anti aircraft gun, Kim fed a general to a pack of dogs, it's illegal to have the same haircut as Kim and it's illegal to have a different haircut than Kim.

Not very reliable.

[Elixir]

2 hours ago, Detournement said:

A completely unsourced claim from the people who brought you Kim Jong Un is dead, Kim Jong Un is dead again, Kim shot his uncle with anti aircraft gun, Kim fed a general to a pack of dogs, it's illegal to have the same haircut as Kim and it's illegal to have a different haircut than Kim.

Not very reliable.

Of course, I forgot about your peerless sources of information.

[jimbaxters]

6 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Are you really this emotionally fragile? 

No which is just as well eh?

[vikingTON]

On 05/10/2022 at 18:41, Todd_is_God said:

The inquiry is pointless unless it addresses the following:

That there is seemingly absolutely no consequences for the "experts" that caused a panic response with their outrageous models and rhetoric.

That the NHS is fundamentally broken and requires major optimisation and investment. That would require increased levels of taxation, though, so will almost certainly not happen.

Absolutely everything that happened can be linked back to at least one of those two factors.

You forgot about factor 3) The UK population being a bunch of monstrously unfit fatties, who can't deal with a glorified cold without needing three weeks in an ICU bed. From Johnson all the way down. 

It's long past time for a fat tax or a 'fit rebate' on a higher overall tax burden. That's how you make sure that health resources are always sufficient for the demands placed on the system. 

[welshbairn]

My Mum is 94 and was going on walking holidays with my Dad in her eighties. I hate this idea that old people are all past their sell by date after 3 score years and ten. 

[vikingTON]

4 hours ago, welshbairn said:

My Mum is 94 and was going on walking holidays with my Dad in her eighties. I hate this idea that old people are all past their sell by date after 3 score years and ten. 

The biggest risk factor (in terms of cases) for serious illness and death from Covid was old age. That's not the case with all illnesses, but it was absolutely certain with that one before it even hit the UK. The job of good policy is to account for all facts in decision-making: including ones that are inconvenient.

Instead we built a facade in which teenagers and people in their 20s were prevented by law from socialising for fully eighteen months. People were literally prosecuted for spending too much time outdoors, err, walking and keeping an even vague attempt at staying fit - and any puffing mess that could be filmed in an ICU was splashed over the news to fit the narrative. Meanwhile Senga (82) was being persuaded at the same time that she could continue toddling down to church/the garden centre/shops/use public transport just the same as before, so long as she remembered to wear a 'face covering' and kept the magical force field of distancing in place. That was a spectacular failure that produced thousands of excess deaths.

This Everyone Is At Equal Risk myth also meant that just about every sector of the economy needed huge bailouts and furlough. Which leaves us two years down the line with nowhere near enough money to drag the healthcare system out of its ditch, while also meeting the other crises that were inevitably going to crop up in one form or another. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by vikingTON

[Dawson Park Boy]

4 hours ago, virginton said:

The biggest risk factor (in terms of cases) for serious illness and death from Covid was old age. That's not the case with all illnesses, but it was absolutely certain with that one before it even hit the UK. The job of good policy is to account for all facts in decision-making: including ones that are inconvenient.

Instead we built a facade in which teenagers and people in their 20s were prevented by law from socialising for fully eighteen months. People were literally prosecuted for spending too much time outdoors, err, walking and keeping an even vague attempt at staying fit - and any puffing mess that could be filmed in an ICU was splashed over the news to fit the narrative. Meanwhile Senga (82) was being persuaded at the same time that she could continue toddling down to church/the garden centre/shops/use public transport just the same as before, so long as she remembered to wear a 'face covering' and kept the magical force field of distancing in place. That was a spectacular failure that produced thousands of excess deaths.

This Everyone Is At Equal Risk myth also meant that just about every sector of the economy needed huge bailouts and furlough. Which leaves us two years down the line with nowhere near enough money to drag the healthcare system out of its ditch, while also meeting the other crises that were inevitably going to crop up in one form or another. 

Excellent summary of what gross over reaction to Covid has brought us.

It'll take years to get over this.

Dont know about anyone else, but I can’t recall ever seeing so many young, grossly overweight people in wheelchairs.

Im sure some serious starvation would help enormously.

Edited October 7, 2022 by Dawson Park Boy
Grammar

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

Why?

Why do you care what other people think?

If people stopped caring about what others think of them they'd lead much more content lives.

We all get a fixed period of time to be alive. Why waste a second of it worrying about what others think of you?

P&B would be a bit dull if nobody cared what other posters think.

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

P&B would be a bit dull if nobody cared what other posters think.

It would be less dull if people who resign from threads stopped coming back to them as well, but here we are.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

It would be less dull if people who resign from threads stopped coming back to them as well, but here we are.

I thought you might have missed me! 

[Elixir]

9 hours ago, welshbairn said:

My Mum is 94 and was going on walking holidays with my Dad in her eighties. I hate this idea that old people are all past their sell by date after 3 score years and ten. 

So, not in a care home, then. Think anyone can conclude you are past your sell by date if you're locked away in a care home. Living to 94+ and being fit in your eighties is good fortunate even if you have lived a health-conscious life. It should be remembered that the vast majority of old people still recovered from Covid. Yet the state tried to take away, by law, how much risk they were 'allowed' to accept by making it illegal to see grandchildren.

[Elixir]

Sky News leading with the prospect of nuclear armageddon all day until... the news that Covid cases are back on the rise! 

[Todd_is_God]

5 hours ago, Elixir said:

Sky News leading with the prospect of nuclear armageddon all day until... the news that Covid cases are back on the rise! 

Ah but this time it's going to "devastating" honest!!!!!

[Zetterlund]

I suspect I may have picked up the ole Rona last week. Not sure, symptoms came on the same way as when I caught covid before but very mild this time and not enough to make me think twice about going to work. Maybe just a common cold (they're the same thing at this point).

Wild to think there are countries elsewhere on this Earth where I might've been thrown into a concentration camp for this.

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said:

Ah but this time it's going to "devastating" honest!!!!!

I usually have Sky News up while I'm working, and the two people they brought on to talk about it were... Christina Pagel and Kit Yates.