Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[KingswellsRed]

18 hours ago, Elixir said:

Something something, but Japanese people wear masks, something something.

 

Up to over 200000 now. Remind me again why over 100 years of research on masks was chucked in the bin?

Edited July 24, 2022 by KingswellsRed

[Elixir]

19 hours ago, oaksoft said:

And one comment is saying "if they didn't wear masks it would have been even worse" followed by a wee clown symbol. Another is blaming the 1% who don't mask up.

These people will never admit they are wrong about masks.

There's also those blaming shan cloth and medical masks - respirators need to be used instead!

 

18 hours ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

The wearing of masks, particularly in winter is a very longstanding tradition in Japan. When I and my family lived and worked in Japan in the sixties and seventies, it was fully accepted that masks would be worn to avoid spreading or catching coughs and colds. Their use during the pandemic was regarded as entirely appropriate and correct.

Did you go through the sixties and seventies without ever getting ill? Of course you didn't.

 

15 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

And yet, useless.

Just because they've done something for decades does not mean that it actually works.

These people must think that East Asian countries are free from all respiratory illness. It would be rather problematic never getting exposed to routine infections throughout your life. Alas, they still do.

 

5 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I've said before that I'm not sure we should be using Japan as a shining example of anything. I absolutely stand by that.

They're not that keen on LGBT folk either, like most East Asian countries the Covid Legends tell us are the peak of human civilisation. Mind you, they barely acknowledge that China have millions of muslims in concentration camps, so we shouldn't be surprised. At least they continue to take covid seriously, though! That's what matters!

[ICTChris]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61269586

An investigation into an increase in child hepatitis cases has concluded that infection spikes of relatively normal childhood viruses caused an increase in rare reactions, leading to a small number of serious illness and liver transplants.  12 children in the UK required a liver transplant.

Researchers claimed that children were not exposed to the routin viruses due to Covid restrictions limiting mixing and the usual spread of viral infections that kids pick up.

Due to my wife being classed as a 'key worker' (remember that) we were able to have our son in nursery as soon as they were allowed to reopen, which was June or July 2020 IIRC, and I'm very glad of it.  I know some kids who had behavioural issues and impacts following it and, while thankfully very rare, the above cases seem to have steemed from it too.

[ICTChris]

The Zero Covid crowd have said that this report is basically a whitewash and that the illnesses were due to Covid infection.  Deepti said that the report is propaganda, presumably accusing the teams who wrote it of lying about severe illness in children.

[The Master]

7 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

The Zero Covid crowd have said that this report is basically a whitewash and that the illnesses were due to Covid infection.  Deepti said that the report is propaganda, presumably accusing the teams who wrote it of lying about severe illness in children.

 

[Michael W]

It remains stonishing the likes of Gurdasani are still allowed to repeatedly punt out false information and borderline defamatory remarks without recourse. 

Once again, a delicious irony as she's rather aggressively invited people directing criticism at her to present evidence, meanwhile she has made yet another baseless statement and failed to support it with evidence. A dangerous and disturbed person. 

 

Edited July 25, 2022 by Michael W

[vikingTON]

13 minutes ago, Michael W said:

It remains stonishing the likes of Gurdasani are still allowed to repeatedly punt out false information and borderline defamatory remarks without recourse. 

Once again, a delicious irony as she's rather aggressively invited people directing criticism at her to present evidence, meanwhile she has made yet another baseless statement and failed to support it with evidence. A dangerous and disturbed person. 

 

Not to mention the irony regarding the zero Covid crowds reification of 'experts' and belief that the rest of society has failed to follow The Science as represented by them. 

Turns out it was only one narrow self-selecting group of experts (fake SAGE) that gets authority status all along! 

[Left Back]

15 minutes ago, Michael W said:

It remains stonishing the likes of Gurdasani are still allowed to repeatedly punt out false information and borderline defamatory remarks without recourse. 

Once again, a delicious irony as she's rather aggressively invited people directing criticism at her to present evidence, meanwhile she has made yet another baseless statement and failed to support it with evidence. A dangerous and disturbed person. 

 

Politicians do this all the time.   Is it any wonder the pubic follows suit?

[Michael W]

15 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Politicians do this all the time.   Is it any wonder the pubic follows suit?

It probably figures as Gurdasani and the iSage lot are essentially political activists masquerading as experts. Very few of them (indeed any?) are qualified in the subject area. 

You expect better from people presenting themselves as experts. But on the other hand, for everyone that buys their doomer stuff, there is at least one other that sees the political-style bullshit for what it is and treats it with the same contempt politicians are afforded. 

[Shandon Par]

Admittedly a small sample but can report sleeping all day and craving sausage rolls. 
 

[Thorongil]

Seems to have all quietened down again.

[scottsdad]

28 minutes ago, Shandön Par said:

Admittedly a small sample but can report sleeping all day and craving sausage rolls. 
 

[Thorongil]

51 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The shrieking will start again in October. See you then.

They love it!!!

[Todd_is_God]

49 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

Seems to have all quietened down again.

Data from Portugal and SA told us the pattern that was coming. We just, as usual, ignored it.

Similar with big Teddy spouting scary shite at the WHO the other day about how global cases going to rise etc etc. There appears to be a hard-wired reluctance to accept that this is now a clearly self-limiting, bog standard respiratory virus, and, as such, can be pretty much ignored.

[Elixir]

What an absolute disaster 'lockdown' was as a policy. Giuseppe Conte and the boffins from Bergamo/Lombardy should be before a judge. I wonder what will happen in China when things eventually tip over...

Let's not forget the Diet SAGE psychos think we should do everything possible to help prevent people from being exposed to all respiratory infections either. How do Japanese and South Korean people survive in later life? After all, they never get sick!

Quote

The two teams of researchers, from London and Glasgow, say infants exposed later than normal - because of Covid restrictions - missed out on some early immunity to:

- adenovirus, which normally causes colds and stomach upsets

- adeno-associated virus two, which normally causes no illness and requires a coinfecting "helper" virus - such as adenovirus - to replicate

That could explain why some developed the unusual and worrying liver complications.

 

[NorthernLights]

Going bald and not being able to get it up are now signs of long Covid.

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2022-07-25/hair-loss-and-low-sex-drive-are-symptoms-of-long-covid-study-says

[hk blues]

16 hours ago, Elixir said:

How do Japanese and South Korean people survive in later life? After all, they never get sick!

I've no idea about Koreans, but I can vouch that the Japanese are always ill - every ailment going they have, or think they have.  Obviously there paranoia about health and hygiene doesn't seem to work.

[Elixir]

Covid travel restrictions a lot of utterly pointless shite. Is there anything The Good Guys weren't spectacularly right about and The Science wasn't spectacularly wrong about?

 

Meanwhile, yet more examples of how shameful 'lockdown' and the policies implemented were.

 

[Elixir]

20 hours ago, oaksoft said:

The exact same medical masks they demanded we wore for 2 years because "the science" proved they work.

The brass neck of them simply ignoring the real world evidence showing them up as being as good as useless and smoothly moving onto N95 or whatever the latest and greatest mask is, is breath-taking. They just start acting as though they'd never demanded surgical masks at all.

The difference was never masks. People social distanced and were more cautious with their behaviour pre-vaccine when the virus was less transmissible. Even then, we still got expected waves such as in winter 2020-21. The reality is that post-vaccination, people began socialising more again and were moving before Government diktat changed, with much more transmissible variants on the scene. Generally lower detected case rates pre-vaccine and some shan lab evidence convinced The Science that masks worked. When people still contracted the virus post-vaccination, it was simply the public's fault for not 'doing the right thing'. Things never should have developed like this, with attempted blackmailing and guilt-tripping to nudge behaviour. There simply should have been an honest discussion about the clear trade-offs and limitations of the situation, and what could realistically be expected. All while doing what would tangibly help the vulnerable, free of utopia chasing. This was essentially always the plan before China and then Italy torched everything.

 

7 hours ago, hk blues said:

I've no idea about Koreans, but I can vouch that the Japanese are always ill - every ailment going they have, or think they have.  Obviously there paranoia about health and hygiene doesn't seem to work.

But...  they wear masks all the time!

Edited July 26, 2022 by Elixir

[Todd_is_God]

Absolutely shocked that ditching the longstanding pandemic plan for dealing with an airborne respiratory virus had less than an ideal outcome.

Those that really pushed the idea early on that A it had a CFR of 2% and B that it was a magical new virus unlike anything known before should be launched into an Oubliette for what their actions ultimately caused.