Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Ron Aldo]

 

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[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, Ron Aldo said:

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If only there were several thousand shan, respiratory viruses that might be responsible for those symptoms!

[Louis Litt]

It's some laugh describing the cancellation of all of your plans as 'taking precautions' 

Of course this and effectively more lockdown is what the doom mongers really mean when they say they want more measures in place to stop covid, but they'll never admit that. 

[hk blues]

7 hours ago, Louis Litt said:

It's some laugh describing the cancellation of all of your plans as 'taking precautions' 

Of course this and effectively more lockdown is what the doom mongers really mean when they say they want more measures in place to stop covid, but they'll never admit that. 

She's played a blinder IMO.  I wish I had thought of that as I'm off to the in-laws for the week-end.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

6 hours ago, hk blues said:

She's played a blinder IMO.  I wish I had thought of that as I'm off to the in-laws for the week-end.

tears of joy?

[Elixir]

Oh dear, what a shame.

 

[Left Back]

Over 50's to get jagged again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62183714

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, Left Back said:

Over 50's to get jagged again.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62183714

There is a massive elephant in the room with vaccines - if we are constantly told that Omicron infection from one variant provides no protection from another, then vaccines simply cannot work.

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

There is a massive elephant in the room with vaccines - if we are constantly told that Omicron infection from one variant provides no protection from another, then vaccines simply cannot work.

Article says they're still undecided about using the old vaccines (in which case you'd be correct) or newer ones that cater for these variants.

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Article says they're still undecided about using the old vaccines (in which case you'd be correct) or newer ones that cater for these variants.

The point is that, by the time Autumn rolls round, pretty much everyone will have had BA.4 / BA.5 anyway, rendering a vaccine for them a bit pointless.

Whatever variant is around at the time will be different, and therefore not catered for either way.

[superbigal]

I think the flu vaccine is worth having so may as well have the 2 at same time.

[Todd_is_God]

[NorthernLights]

She is the host on one of the podcasts I listen to, AstronomyCast. I didn't realise she had completly lost it with regards to Covid.

[Elixir]

14 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

 

13 hours ago, oaksoft said:

This is absolutely insane. 

And she's getting admiring comments too.

People are asking where they can get one. Fucking hell.

ETA. Dear god. There's a competition of some kind...

 

*completely normal and rational people*

[Zetterlund]

Taking multiple air purifiers with you when staying in hotels 

 

[Todd_is_God]

Lunatics

[Loonytoons]

The point is that, by the time Autumn rolls round, pretty much everyone will have had BA.4 / BA.5 anyway, rendering a vaccine for them a bit pointless.
Whatever variant is around at the time will be different, and therefore not catered for either way.

The vaccines have been losing their efficacy but after three variants having mutations around the target of the vaccines, it is still working.
I suspect the next generation of Covid vaccines will have a similar shelf life. We have the same with flu vaccines too.

What probably does need investigating is what is the pathogenicity of the newer dominant strains on the unvaccinated and whether it is indeed a "shan" virus.

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, Loonytoons said:

The vaccines have been losing their efficacy but after three variants having mutations around the target of the vaccines, it is still working.
I suspect the next generation of Covid vaccines will have a similar shelf life. We have the same with flu vaccines too.

You've spectacularly missed the point.

For vaccines to be effective, an immune response against a virus needs to be generated when it attempts to infect you. If a vaccine can do this against a variant that was not known when it was created, then prior infection from a variant that was known at the time would also do this equally well. The opposite is, of course, also true but one cannot be true and the other false.

Flu vaccines are not the same btw. The flu virus itself is fairly stable, with known variants which can be vaccinated against. When the dominant flu strain differs from what is expected, the vaccine is largely ineffective.

Last winter is a great example of this in a covid sense - the vaccines used were created before Omicron BA.2 existed, and, as that was the dominant variant at the time, then based on the number of positive tests recorded they appeared to do very little (if anything) to prevent infection. The claim that they instead reduced the severity of infection is convenient because the level of vaccine coverage makes it almost impossible to prove or disprove.

[Elixir]

6 hours ago, Zetterlund said:

Taking multiple air purifiers with you when staying in hotels 

I'd say these people need psychological help, but having seen the views of some psychologists over the past two and a half years...

[Dons_1988]

It’s all becoming a bit cultish, isn’t it?