Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[vikingTON]

10 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Anyway, nice chat, switching ignore back on. 

Or you could just 'resign' from the thread permanently this time and do everyone a favour. 

'I don't like being contradicted so am now ignoring half the posts' is not a great strategy on a public forum.

[Dawson Park Boy]

47 minutes ago, Snafu said:

I don't think you are wrong here as how COVID was dealt with in each country reflects back on the countries politics and that defines the thought process in what route to take to managing the crisis but it will still take time for history to reveal who was right in their decisions and who was wrong regardless of political leanings. However @anotherchance isn't wrong either since a neutral stand point which covers a purely scientific approach or simply someone who isn't political minded or someone who's anti establishment is quite capable of coming up with good ideas. Stepping back from political bias with a clear mind on this is not a bad way to view the pandemic.

The problem here is too many people think they have the all right answers and won't listen to anyone else and everyone else is wrong due to the politics they follow or are assumed to follow. People locked into a mindset. However having a set of values and opinions based on political leanings can for many uncomplicate options and give focus and direction. All depends on the individual themselves, everyone is different.

I find too often politics clouds judgement on COVID and when used against other groups of people intentionally or unintentionally for political gain, opportunity or just sport. But then also wrong calls can be made on how the COVID data is presented through the chain of scientific advisors. But then what do you do if your scientists are freaking out at the data?

Its always good to listen to others even if they are on the opposite side.

And yes always question.

 

Some interesting points here which cause probably even more confusion.

Personally speaking, as a conservative , my beliefs are firmly routed in the individual rather than the state dictating to me what I must do. However, there are obviously limits to that which I recognise.

Within my body of acquaintances, I have noticed that people with socialist tendencies tend to be more accepting of state diktat than those of a more right wing disposition.

However, that is not always the case. My wife has some lady pals, all very conservative both small and large c who, at the beginning of the pandemic would tune into Nicolas daily briefing and hang on her every word. Nicola became the next thing to GOD. Thankfully, that has changed and through their own selfishness, a bit like Boris, have now realised that when Nicolas pronouncements don’t quite tune in with their own family plans, then Nicola can go to hell.

Its therefore a strange one where political philosophies do have a bearing on our attitudes but, at the end of the day, it very much depends on what suits our own way of life and, for most people I think, authoritarianism has probably run its course.

 

[Todd_is_God]

38 minutes ago, virginton said:

Or you could just 'resign' from the thread permanently this time and do everyone a favour. 

'I don't like being contradicted so am now ignoring half the posts' is not a great strategy on a public forum.

Shades of Deity Devi in that approach. Perhaps fittingly.

[Guest]

I'm not understanding the latest chat that passenger locator forms are more or less here to stay, or at least for the foreseeable future.

WHY ????

[ICTChris]

2 hours ago, superbigal said:

I noticed last week when our numbers in the neighbourhood reporting were dropping heavily that only pcr positives were included. This is where UK govt take the Scottish numbers from.
Assume it is because the LFTs that are reported positive were in the hospital board areas rather than council areas. Not sure why Scotgov are doing this. A cynic may have an opinion.
Even screws with travelling tabby.
 

There must be a technical reason for not including them, even someone as moon-howling and Yoon-pilled as me can't accept that they would juke the stats like this.

[Blue Brazil Forever]

2 hours ago, superbigal said:

I noticed last week when our numbers in the neighbourhood reporting were dropping heavily that only pcr positives were included. This is where UK govt take the Scottish numbers from.
Assume it is because the LFTs that are reported positive were in the hospital board areas rather than council areas. Not sure why Scotgov are doing this. A cynic may have an opinion.
Even screws with travelling tabby.






 

We increased the number of LFTs as requested to satisfy ourselves that we remained COVID free and would not add to the tsunami. And no we don't do it when we brush our teeth. What we do no longer do is report the results which previously took about forty minutes on the phone including questions on ethnicity. Just couldn't be arsed with the system and with spending half my remaining life on the phone reporting a negative. I wonder how many others do the same, skewing the statistics (and the "science").

PS Scottish if you ask

[Dawson Park Boy]

1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

I'm not understanding the latest chat that passenger locator forms are more or less here to stay, or at least for the foreseeable future.

WHY ????

Agreed.

Surely the only point is to give the reference number of your forthcoming LFT test?

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:

I don’t think that’s true at all but it does go a long way to explaining your moral panic at everything in this thread. 

That's  a bit daft, isn't it?

I really don't think I've been one of the main sources of moral panic on here at all.  There would be dozens of people ahead of me in that queue.  It's just that you wouldn't characterise their contributions that way, because they match your outlook more closely.

I'd see abandoning one's beliefs altogether, as at least as weird as maintaining a slavish or irrational devotion to them.

[Detournement]

29 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

We increased the number of LFTs as requested to satisfy ourselves that we remained COVID free and would not add to the tsunami. And no we don't do it when we brush our teeth. What we do no longer do is report the results which previously took about forty minutes on the phone including questions on ethnicity. Just couldn't be arsed with the system and with spending half my remaining life on the phone reporting a negative. I wonder how many others do the same, skewing the statistics (and the "science").

PS Scottish if you ask

It's take two minutes to report it online.

Why were you phoning?

[ICTChris]

I am vaguely aware of who this person is, I beleive they write for some online publications but spend most of their time generating clicks on Twitter.  This is the horsehoe theory of Covid, where zero-Coviders and anti-vaxxers unite.

[Dons_1988]

3 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

That's  a bit daft, isn't it?

I really don't think I've been one of the main sources of moral panic on here at all.  There would be dozens of people ahead of me in that queue.  It's just that you wouldn't characterise their contributions that way, because they match your outlook more closely.

I'd see abandoning one's beliefs altogether, as at least as weird as maintaining a slavish or irrational devotion to them.

I think you’re the most guilty of reading a lot into peoples views on specific issues. 

My comment was a bit flippant but it was partly serious, if you really do think that the views expressed here are indicative of an underlying political belief on all societies issues then it makes your approach to the thread more understandable, if misinformed. 

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

I'm not understanding the latest chat that passenger locator forms are more or less here to stay, or at least for the foreseeable future.

WHY ????

Contact tracing probably, in case you're on a plane with someone carrying a new killer variant. Although in the unlikely event of that happening they could just ask the airline for a list of passengers and their details so I don't really see the point either.

[Elixir]

11 hours ago, Michael W said:

 

She repulses me in the same way someone like Harold Shipman does. Vile.

 

11 hours ago, anotherchance said:

I remember you turned against Sturgeon before Christmas when she banned large crowds etc - didn’t that help you empathise with some of the criticisms you see on here?

A blatant act if ever I saw one. He was probably greeting into his SNP bed covers at having to appear outraged.

 

1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

I'm not understanding the latest chat that passenger locator forms are more or less here to stay, or at least for the foreseeable future.

WHY ????

It's a bit of paper that will be 'simplified' and binned before long. They are not 'here to stay', just as quarantine has been scrapped for the unvaxxed. This is near Detournement levels of paranoia.

[Wee Bully]

4 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

There's a difference between your politics guiding your view on how we handle issues like covid and your politics restricting your ability to question how things are being done by "your team" and to preach morality to other people with different view points.

A big difference.

We've seen way too much of the latter on this thread from self-proclaimed arbiters of morality.

There are people on both sides of the covid restrictions argument from all different political backgrounds.

It’s the complete lack of self-awareness that gets me.  

[Thorongil]

45 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

We increased the number of LFTs as requested to satisfy ourselves that we remained COVID free and would not add to the tsunami. And no we don't do it when we brush our teeth. What we do no longer do is report the results which previously took about forty minutes on the phone including questions on ethnicity. Just couldn't be arsed with the system and with spending half my remaining life on the phone reporting a negative. I wonder how many others do the same, skewing the statistics (and the "science").

PS Scottish if you ask

Out of maybe 25 LFTs my family have done in this whole time we have maybe reported 3. Because they were positive. 

Sometimes it’s easy to report on the app, sometimes it’s not. But either way I don’t have time for the admin.

[Thorongil]

2 minutes ago, Wee Bully said:

It’s the complete lack of self-awareness that gets me.  

lol

[superbigal]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

There must be a technical reason for not including them, even someone as moon-howling and Yoon-pilled as me can't accept that they would juke the stats like this.

The 7 Day rolling figures the UK Govt are reporting are pulled from here

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/phs.covid.19/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

That gives Scotland currently 26909 cases or 492.3 per 100K

you can see the UK Govt reporting here which shows close enough to those numbers.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

The reality is virtually double this number when you include confirmed LFT numbers from here

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/phs.covid.19/viz/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

 

Why Scotgov are not including those positive LFTs in the data they have been using to publicise case numbers is a tad odd as it is hardly rocket science to add them in if you know what council areas they eminate from.

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by superbigal

[anotherchance]

4 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Would you?

I get the point you're trying to make about tribalism, but to me, divorcing Covid response from politics is odd.  This has been about political decision making from the outset.

Of course, people should be prepared to criticise a party they'd normally support, just as they should be capable of supporting something they like, even it comes from a direction they wouldn't usually back.  The same could be said on any issue.

However, I'd think it's sensible to have views on Covid broadly fit a set of existing beliefs regarding how society can operate.

There should always be room for questioning and doubt, but I wouldn't see those who treat Covid as outside of politics, as the ones who bring most clarity to their thought.

 

I should have been clearer - I meant along party political lines rather than necessarily ideological ones.

Although from an ideological perspective, I feel that the left/progressives struggle with COVID because there isn’t one singular “I’m a good guy” position here as there maybe was with Brexit, for example  - essentially they’ve prioritised the virus over anything and everything else, including things like low paid jobs, mental health, knowing it’ll be the low paid who bear the brunt of paying furlough back etc.

This results in them tying themselves in knots when challenged, as I think we’ve seen on this thread.

 

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Elixir said:

She repulses me in the same way someone like Harold Shipman does. Vile.

 

A blatant act if ever I saw one. He was probably greeting into his SNP bed covers at having to appear outraged.

 

It's a bit of paper that will be 'simplified' and binned before long. They are not 'here to stay', just as quarantine has been scrapped for the unvaxxed. This is near Detournement levels of paranoia.

I'm only going by Today's press reports and a quote from the head of Heathrow Airport......

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, anotherchance said:

I should have been clearer - I meant along party political lines rather than necessarily ideological ones.

Although from an ideological perspective, I feel that the left/progressives struggle with COVID because there isn’t one singular “I’m a good guy” position here as there maybe was with Brexit, for example  - essentially they’ve prioritised the virus over anything and everything else, including things like low paid jobs, mental health, knowing it’ll be the low paid who bear the brunt of paying furlough back etc.

This results in them tying themselves in knots when challenged, as I think we’ve seen on this thread.

 

The second half of 2022 and 2023 onward are going to be utter carnage as we head back to the 1970's with horrific inflation, mass unemployment, terrible poverty and a major increase in crime as the "2 tier society" becomes a definite, clear and unavoidable reality.

The job losses are already starting and as our councils are all majorly underfunded / close to Bankruptcy you can expect large council tax increases or another major cut to our public services.

Strikes will also be commonplace as certain sectors have been left far behind in the salary increases but at the same time, others simply won't survive such as retail and hospitality due to high wages and massive overheads due to the energy price increases.

Forget the Ukraine tensions and Covid, those will be the least of our worries.......