Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[derek_holmes]

32 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Who could have predicted that forcing people to wear (often dirty) facecoverings, and forcing people to gather in houses rather than larger (sometimes outdoor) spaces would have the opposite effect than intended.

This is what happens when you view Covid as the only thing that matters, and become obsessed with trying to control numbers that, short of a march 2020 style lockdown, you have nowhere near the level of control over as you think.

Agree with the bulk of this, but surely the issue with face coverings (dirty or otherwise) is that the way the policy has been implemented makes it a relatively ineffective tool at the population level (as you alluded to re indoor gatherings), rather than any particular failing of the masks themselves or the idea behind them?

[Les Cabbage]

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

[KingswellsRed]

3 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

If and I say if that is genuine, it blows the theory Cabinet meet on a Tuesday morning to make decisions out of the water.

[Todd_is_God]

8 minutes ago, derek_holmes said:

Agree with the bulk of this, but surely the issue with face coverings (dirty or otherwise) is that the way the policy has been implemented makes it a relatively ineffective tool at the population level (as you alluded to re indoor gatherings), rather than any particular failing of the masks themselves or the idea behind them?

The failure of the policy started when people were able to self declare (without the need to prove) that they were exempt.

It further failed when it allowed people to use literally anything to cover their face.

If they wish to keep facecoverings around in genuine high-risk settings (i.e. parts of hospitals) then fine, but they need to have no exceptions, and provide decent masks (e.g. FFP2 / FFP3). But this needs to be demonstrated how they help with infection control in general, and not just a slight reduction in one specific pathogen.

Keeping masks around on public transport / aircraft / shops / hospitality (for about 2 minutes of your entire stay) is just completely silly and shouldn't even be entertained.

[Dons_1988]

2 minutes ago, KingswellsRed said:

If and I say if that is genuine, it blows the theory Cabinet meet on a Tuesday morning to make decisions out of the water.

It’s not really practical for them to decide on the morning then draw up a statement. 

I presume the morning meeting is just to ratify what’s already been decided. 

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, KingswellsRed said:

If and I say if that is genuine, it blows the theory Cabinet meet on a Tuesday morning to make decisions out of the water.

That was abvious about 18 months ago tbh.

[Rugster]

12 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

I think that’s fake. I hope not but the thing is the app is already updated to show booster jags. 

[Todd_is_God]

12 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

Shafting hospitality again then just to save a bit of face.

What a government we have.

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, Rugster said:

I think that’s fake. I hope not but the thing is the app is already updated to show booster jags. 

Only because they were required by some other countries, not here.

[Have some faith in Magic]

11 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

The tone and the syntax doesn't look right and the app showed my  booster about a day after I got mine. 

 

[UsedToGoToCentralPark]

If and I say if that is genuine, it blows the theory Cabinet meet on a Tuesday morning to make decisions out of the water.

NS decides and then tells her yes men on Tuesday morning what she is going to say.

[The Master]

10 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

I certainly hear NS's voice in my head when I read that. The thing that puts a doubt in my mind is the update to the NHS app - that's already there (although I'm irrationally irritated by it saying "1 of 2", "2 of 2" and "3 of 3"). 

[The Master]

4 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Only because they were required by some other countries, not here.

Ah, good point - it's the "international" bit that has the 3 doses.

I assume that at the moment, the domestic QR code appears if you've had 2 doses. If this is indeed real, the update will be to make it only appear with 3.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

The shifting goalposts on fully vaccinated is fucking bullshit.  i had no problem taking my first two but I don't want to take jag after jag after jag. there should't even be such a thing as vaccine passports in any case. 

My partner has had some issues since having her initial two doses ( I don't need to go into specifics, but she isn't alone and it has been noted in the BMJ) but gets nothing but a rubber ear from her GP or worse even, condescension when requesting follow up with an issue she needs help with - "oh you need to be fully vaccinated for a referal, so i'm afraid youl have to get your booster first

f**k off

[Honest_Man#1]

12 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

The shifting goalposts on fully vaccinated is fucking bullshit.  i had no problem taking my first two but I don't want to take jag after jag after jag. there should't even be such a thing as vaccine passports in any case. 

My partner has had some issues since having her initial two doses ( I don't need to go into specifics, but she isn't alone and it has been noted in the BMJ) but gets nothing but a rubber ear from her GP or worse even, condescension when requesting follow up with an issue she needs help with - "oh you need to be fully vaccinated for a referal, so i'm afraid youl have to get your booster first

f**k off

Not quite to the same level, but I’ve been getting (luckily mild and intermittent) chest pains since my second dose, so was quite worried about the booster and reluctant to go for it. Although I wasn’t overly satisfied with the level of check on my cardiac health (they basically said they thought it was muscle strain, which doesn’t really add up with the type of pain and location, and didn’t do an ECG) the GP did at least see me.

Due to the fact I knew I’d end up needing it for travel and to go to sports events etc I’ve just gone this morning and got it. 

Edit: Forgot to add, I don’t think the vaccine is causing this and I think it’s purely coincidental, but as I’m a young guy who’s realistically at absolutely no risk from Covid itself I’d have preferred to edge on the side of personal caution. Unfortunately that’s been taken away from me if I want to be part of society.

Edited January 11, 2022 by Honest_Man#1

[alta-pete]

6 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

The shifting goalposts on fully vaccinated is fucking bullshit.  i had no problem taking my first two but I don't want to take jag after jag after jag. there should't even be such a thing as vaccine passports in any case. 

My partner has had some issues since having her initial two doses ( I don't need to go into specifics, but she isn't alone and it has been noted in the BMJ) but gets nothing but a rubber ear from her GP or worse even, condescension when requesting follow up with an issue she needs help with - "oh you need to be fully vaccinated for a referal, so i'm afraid youl have to get your booster first

f**k off

I’m with you on this. Had Covid early December. T&P lady says I’ll be showing positive antibodies for up to 90 days. I got a fairly severe reaction to both of the initial jags. Why then should I have to get another booster and feel shite for another weekend when that only gives me 70 days protection? Fuqdat. 

[Les Cabbage]

 

[Louis Litt]

32 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said:

Usual morning group chat rumours on days like this, no idea if it’s genuine etc etc usual caveats but provides some hope!
 

 

Must be legit if it was posted by a Celtic Supporters' Club

[Scotty Tunbridge]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

One thing that's absolutely clear, I think @Big Fifer covered it in his post about meeting John Mason, is that people aren't sticking to restrictions limiting the number of households etc.  The first couple of lockdowns I think most people stuck to things and met outside, no-one is doing that now.  Obviously the SG can close down nightclubs and football grounds but they must be aware that the other restrictions are in force in name only.

Yep it’d be interesting to see at what point most chucked following the restrictions.

I behaved myself and followed the rules right at the start even the daft only go out for 1 walk or for an hour a day or whatever it was which seems utterly bonkers now.

Summer came and things looked a bit more positive but when we got locked back down before christmas 2020 for the mythical ‘Kent variant’ was the point I said f**k it and started doing what I wanted re household gatherings and visiting other local authorities.

The levels pish with Glasgow and others being unnecessarily punished continually was the point the SNP lost it for me.

The SG will know many have chucked it these 3 weeks for the Omicron have done nothing but take further money away from businesses affected. Any extension to these today would be criminal.

Edited January 11, 2022 by Scotty Tunbridge

[Al B]

3 hours ago, Suspect Device said:

Something a bit more important than my desire to see the football.

 

 

In the case of my closest Aunt and Uncle, my Aunt had Cancer pre-Covid that thankfully had gone into remission for a few years, then obviously lockdown kicked in and, as was the case with everyone, we weren't able to see each other.

During lockdown her Cancer returned, and it was a massive fight to be able to be seen, with appointments and operations constantly cancelled and pushed back due to Covid. Finally after almost a year of waiting, she was scheduled in for what was by that time, a 50/50, last chance procedure to save her life. The night before she was due to be admitted for her operartion she was awoken my a massive clatter in the bathroom, and ran in to find my Uncle having had a massive heart attack due to the stress of it all and the thought of losing his wife due to the delays and restrictions. He was dead before he'd hit the floor.

She was left with no real choice but to go through with being admitted the next day as it has been delayed repeatedly for almost a year and was already her last chance. Sadly post-op she lasted another 6 weeks and unfortunately passed away.

I 100% understand the pressures that the hospitals etc were facing pre-vaccine and whilst it still hurts like hell that, in a non-Covid world they would both likely still be here, we're in a very different scenario now. Because of restrictions I left the house of two happy, relatively healthy people at the end of February 2020, and we parted with a hug, a "see you soon", and a wave as we drove off, and I never saw them again other than effectively twice sitting by myself in a crematorium 6 weeks apart with 19 other people spaced out in it, my mum bawling her eyes out and me not even being able to comfort her....just sitting 10 feet away watching her cry. Their deaths are hard enough but the real knife in the heart is that we all spent months sitting by ourselves in our houses not knowing that we'd never see each other again.

Back then, I had more of an acceptance of what the restrictions were for, what they were doing and why they were necessary. But now? There's people living through that exact scenario for absolutely no reason whatsoever, that has never even had an attempt at rational justification. The whole thing has been handled disgustingly with what seems like complete disregard for anyone thats suffering, ill or dying of anything other than Covid, and I've all but had enough of it.

I'm not sure who she thinks it is that she's protecting at this stage with all this, but it's definitely not the general public or the country.

Edited January 11, 2022 by Al B