Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Thorongil]

19 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Sounds like a paranoid crackpot with his own political agenda.  Should fit right in on this thread.

What’s wrong with having a political agenda? Is it only you who’s allowed one?

[Bairnardo]

Just about every one of your posts on here has you on the same side as the rabid right in the Conservative Party.
I’ve already apologised for my political gaff; you’re still reaffirming yours.

Well thats shite, because I have never and will never put an X in the box for a right wing party (or cause, like you did)

However, having a belief that current restrictions are over the top, not neccessary and over the piece, damaging is categorically not a right, or left wing opinion in any way.

That you seek to categorise opinions on covid restrictions going forward as a cut and dried left/right, SNP/Tory choice is a huge minter and betrays exactly what I have been saying about you and your like all along. This is about political capital for you. A game in which you back your team all the way.

Numerous people on this thread have commented how discomforting it is that their views on covid response are aligned with the views of the English Tories, and here you are trying to accuse those folks of actually being tories. Its hinestly pathetic to watch. The only consolation I suppose for you is that you arent the only one. But as we all know, you have to frame it in this way, because you will never actually tell us what you want. Just tell others that they are wrong.

[Thorongil]

I’ve watched Granny Danger for a while on this thread. His contributions are beyond puerile and completely mortifying from any intellectual or moral standpoint. 

A complete liability and embarrassment to independence supporters on this forum.

[No_Problemo]

13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

As a fellow Scottish independence supporter, I genuinely wish you weren’t one as you do far more harm than good spouting nonsense like this. 
 

Calling everyone that disagrees with you Tories is a brain dead move. 

[Empty It]

Imagine voting for Brexit then coming on here calling everyone Tory apologists, what a mess.

[Granny Danger]

6 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Well thats shite, because I have never and will never put an X in the box for a right wing party (or cause, like you did)

However, having a belief that current restrictions are over the top, not neccessary and over the piece, damaging is categorically not a right, or left wing opinion in any way.

That you seek to categorise opinions on covid restrictions going forward as a cut and dried left/right, SNP/Tory choice is a huge minter and betrays exactly what I have been saying about you and your like all along. This is about political capital for you. A game in which you back your team all the way.

Numerous people on this thread have commented how discomforting it is that their views on covid response are aligned with the views of the English Tories, and here you are trying to accuse those folks of actually being tories. Its hinestly pathetic to watch. The only consolation I suppose for you is that you arent the only one. But as we all know, you have to frame it in this way, because you will never actually tell us what you want. Just tell others that they are wrong.

What I want is normality.  In order to achieve that it means people accepting personal responsibility and realising that their actions do not just affect themselves but affect others.  There’s a few posts today illustrating that there are still many people who see that as an alien concept.

I don’t want to be inoculated but accept it’s necessary, not just for me but for those I come into contact with.  I despise those who don’t AND their apologists.  I don’t want to wear a mask, or be denied entry to the football, but I don’t think those making the rules in Scotland have a wider agenda.

Hope that helps.

PS, it is a political issue and you’re aligning yourself with the rabid right even if you are unwilling to admit it to yourself.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

20 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Jenny harries was talking about masks and social distancing being in place " for some years to come" earlier this year, she's not ready to back to her normal routine

[NotThePars]

All the diehard SNP supporters who dismiss critics of the SNP as Tories had literally nothing to say when the SNP and Tories stood side by side and fucked over renters at the start of the Covid crisis. An actual instance of Scottish nationalists and right wing unionists standing side by side to f**k over the precariat.

[Thorongil]

1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

What I want is normality.  In order to achieve that it means people accepting personal responsibility and realising that their actions do not just affect themselves but affect others.  There’s a few posts today illustrating that there are still many people who see that as an alien concept.

I don’t want to be inoculated but accept it’s necessary, not just for me but for those I come into contact with.  I despise those who don’t AND their apologists.  I don’t want to wear a mask, or be denied entry to the football, but I don’t think those making the rules in Scotland have a wider agenda.

Hope that helps.

PS, it is a political issue and you’re aligning yourself with the rabid right even if you are unwilling to admit it to yourself.

That’s not sane.

[Detournement]

Corbyn and most of the genuinely left wing Labour MPs voted against the passports.

It's not a traditional left Vs right issue. 

[Clown Job]

1 hour ago, Jan Vojáček said:

This is a very good article from Stenhousemuir's chairman.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/scottish-football-has-been-let-down-and-i-now-wonder-if-something-deeper-is-at-work-iain-mcmenemy-3507024

He’s not wrong 

I remember when the SG and Police would praise events such as T in the Park, despite people coming home from that in a body bags while it was full of alcohol, drug abuse and sexual assaults 

Yet at the same time they would be treating fans like thugs and bringing in that awful Offensive Behaviour at Football Act. 

Going to a football game is arguably one of the safest public events you can attend, and when you take in the number of games that are played across the senior leagues alone over a year, the police stats never really did support the treatment supporters received 

I think Celtic alone in a normal season will get over 2 million people  in footfall to the stadium, and the number of arrests are minuscule in comparison (averages something like 300 a season) 

I will still hear c***s argue that you can’t be anywhere near Glasgow City Centre when Celtic and Rangers are playing each other because it gets turned into a war zone or they’ll argue against the reintroduction of alcohol because of a game 40 years ago when football was essentially a bring your own booze event. 

[Monkey Tennis]

34 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

Great article. Football fans need to consider the Scottish Government and Nicola Stugeon in particular as an enemy from here onwards. 

Yes.  All football fans should definitely define themselves as such and view all political questions through such a lens.

 

That would definitely be the sensible way to proceed here.

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, Thorongil said:

That’s not sane.

Careful now.  Questioning someone’s mental health on here is not a route you want to go down.

[Dawson Park Boy]

This is becoming a really interesting debate about how particular important events can transcend party political beliefs.

As a teenager at uni I was a member of the Scotland- USSR friendship society (communist) through ideological evangelical Christianity. There was a very charismatic Professor at Glasgow called William Barclay who influenced so many young people in their beliefs (not communism, I should add) but an alignment of Christianity to socialism in the truest sense.

Anyway, I became a Labour voter until I saw just how corrupt they had become through years of no opposition especially in the west of Scotland.

Once into the world of business and commerce I became a conservative and over time became UKIP then The Brexit Party finally moving back to the Tories.

I also donated to Wings over Scotland as I admired the journalistic prowess of Stewart Campbell although not his beliefs.

What all this is trying to say is that I reckon it’s right and proper to keep changing political alignments throughout life dependent on the circumstances. No harm at all in socialists supporting the right of the Conservative party over Covid.

Once that has passed, normal service can be resumed.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

I’ve watched Granny Danger for a while on this thread. His contributions are beyond puerile and completely mortifying from any intellectual or moral standpoint. 
A complete liability and embarrassment to independence supporters on this forum.

^^^ Roget doing some seriously heavy lifting.

[GTee]

Didn't realise the third bullet was correct . Thought it had 'mutated'.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

What’s wrong with having a political agenda? Is it only you who’s allowed one?

Nothing wrong whatsoever. Neither is there any thing wrong, when someone's agenda aligns with the Tories, with calling them out as cűnts for it.

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Once into the world of business and commerce I became a conservative and over time became UKIP then The Brexit Party finally moving back to the Tories.

I also donated to Wings over Scotland as I admired the journalistic prowess of Stewart Campbell although not his beliefs.

^^^Trying too hard.

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

24 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

What’s wrong with having a political agenda? Is it only you who’s allowed one?

Nothing wrong whatsoever. Neither is there any thing wrong, when someone's agenda aligns with the Tories, with calling them out as cűnts for it.

Corbyn voted with Steve Baker on vaccine passports.

I must have missed you calling him out on it.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

How long are PCR test results taking to cone through? I had mine in Dundee on Xmas eve. Need confirmation that I'm positive before I bore myself shitless reading my employer's guidance in self isolation and WFH [emoji58]