Jacksgranda Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, PWL said: It's not just English taxpayers though. It's distribution of UK funds. By the same rights why should Welsh taxpayers pay for a project in Northern Ireland. Well, the English and Scots do, so why not them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: shameless How many weeks until schools are due to reopen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Left Back said: How many weeks until schools are due to reopen? They aren't closed yet, so at least 2 and a bit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: They aren't closed yet, so at least 2 and a bit Teaching unions have clearly seen the worse case modelling stuff and thought they’ll have a bit of that too if it means extra holidays. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 45 minutes ago, Scosha said: Covid in Scotland: Hints at tougher restrictions around new year https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59717594 How far do we think these c*nts will go this time? The horse will he half way round the track by Hogmanay. They don't have a fucking clue. Still hoping they have actually realised how much they have overreacted and are just fumbling along until things inevitably turn. 37 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Yet he's also saying this https://news.stv.tv/scotland/we-need-more-omicron-data-before-introducing-tougher-covid-measures I really wish these clowns would say little / nothing until they actually have something to say. What an absolute farce they have turned this into. Not pre-emptively shitting the bed would see us ride this out, which would be the correct course of action. Doubtful if these clowns can be trusted to see things through, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 England won't lock down at all. We will be in a pretty severe lockdown when the data UK is willing to accept shows Omicron is actually nothing to worry about. We will still have a tapered road out of lockdown just to make sure though. Tories will refuse to give Sturgeon more money. Standoff ensues and she backs down. I expect one area this will have an impact on is ensuring the now annual exam clusterfuck will happen, but this time the SG won't be able to hide behind Johnson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 When even clowns like Owen Jones are starting to realise, you know the game is almost up. The absaloot state of some of the replies, though. Genuine Hitler's bunker mentality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) I reckon tomorrow’s BBC news website will lead with a story titled ‘Surging Covid cases see Scottish government say further restrictions may be required and they cannot rule out changes in January surrounding the three household meeting rules while nightclubs are braced for further restrictions as ministers seek to stem the tide of rising cases while Omicron is now the dominant strain in Scotland as people are urged to get their boosters in order to enjoy Christmas as football could be shut down as concert venues and hospitality voice concern about new rules being brought in at the drop of a hat while shoppers are braced for social distancing and screen rules to be introduced as mask use is going to be enforced more strictly in situations deemed to be high risk while no decision has been taken on further changes to the rules surrounding working from home while schools remain open but Holyrood will keep close tabs on the situation in towns and cities struggling with this deadly, far more transmissable variant which is due to become a tsunami of cases in communities accounting for over 95% of new cases reported as being new cases, as Jason Leitch says stay indoors and think about PornHub, meanwhile advisers to the Scottish Government are warning of a new, even more deadly variant of concern heading our way from La La Land.’ Bookmark this. Edited December 19, 2021 by pozbaird 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 50 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t. NI’s spending comes out of their block grant. I assume you’ve heard of the Barnett formula? If you think they are funding this "new" money for devolved nations by taking it from the England only portion of the budget then I have a bridge to sell you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 50 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Can't believe I am defending Jason Leitch but that article and headline is an utter joke. Media are utter vermin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, PWL said: If you think they are funding this "new" money for devolved nations by taking it from the England only portion of the budget then I have a bridge to sell you. Who claimed that? I suspect you’re deliberately trying to misunderstand this so you can claim “tories bad” when in actual fact you have no idea what it is you’re slagging them for. It’s coming from the UK government. If it’s only going to the devolved administrations to pay for things that are under the control of the devolved governments then it’s not UK spending. therefore it’s reasonable not to expect English taxpayers to have to pay towards it. If it was announced that UK gov was spending x additional money to fund lockdowns/business compensation in England then the devolved governments would be entitled to proportional equivalents as Barnett consequentials. That would come out of the “UK” budget. I haven’t seen anything saying extra money is being provided to England so as far as I can see this doesn’t come under Barnett. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Left Back said: English taxpayers fund a lockdown for the devolved nations. The money isn't split up like this we have to ask for our money back because that's how it works, yes it's mental but welcome to the UK. You can absolutely disagree about how much folk should be asking for and if they should require anything at all but for a UK government instant on trying to hold 4 nations together constantly telling the recently elected governments to piss off is neither a great look for a "Union of Equals" nor particularly fair way to run the exchequer. Both my local cafe and pub are closed due to staff absences, public money simply has to support them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, Left Back said: Who claimed that? I suspect you’re deliberately trying to misunderstand this so you can claim “tories bad” when in actual fact you have no idea what it is you’re slagging them for. It’s coming from the UK government. If it’s only going to the devolved administrations to pay for things that are under the control of the devolved governments then it’s not UK spending. therefore it’s reasonable not to expect English taxpayers to have to pay towards it. If it was announced that UK gov was spending x additional money to fund lockdowns/business compensation in England then the devolved governments would be entitled to proportional equivalents as Barnett consequentials. That would come out of the “UK” budget. I haven’t seen anything saying extra money is being provided to England so as far as I can see this doesn’t come under Barnett. At no point have I claimed 'Tories Bad'. My original point was in response to your comment of English taxpayers funding a lockdown in devolved nations. My view is that it is UK gov paying out UK money to regions of the UK. The end user is irrelevant. My UK taxes are used to pay for HS2 etc when there is no direct Scottish benefit. Anyway, don't want to clutter this thread any more than we have. Happy to chat off line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, 101 said: The money isn't split up like this we have to ask for our money back because that's how it works, yes it's mental but welcome to the UK. You can absolutely disagree about how much folk should be asking for and if they should require anything at all but for a UK government instant on trying to hold 4 nations together constantly telling the recently elected governments to piss off is neither a great look for a "Union of Equals" nor particularly fair way to run the exchequer. Both my local cafe and pub are closed due to staff absences, public money simply has to support them. That doesn’t mean English taxpayers have an obligation to do so. Health/Covid is devolved. It’s the Scottish governments responsibility. She pushed the panic button and it’s down to her. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dave and Anna Snow said: When Scottish taxpayers pay circa 4-5 billion pounds a year debt interest on a credit card didn't take out we shouldn't give a hoot about stuff like this. David. What credit card would that be? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, PWL said: At no point have I claimed 'Tories Bad'. My original point was in response to your comment of English taxpayers funding a lockdown in devolved nations. My view is that it is UK gov paying out UK money to regions of the UK. The end user is irrelevant. My UK taxes are used to pay for HS2 etc when there is no direct Scottish benefit. Anyway, don't want to clutter this thread any more than we have. Happy to chat off line. your view is not grounded in any political or economic reality. If England decided to go i to lockdown and Scotland didn’t would you think it’s fair that a proportion of your taxes was spent on it instead of being spent on Scotland? Also your example of how unfair it is is a bit of an oops. https://fullfact.org/online/hs2-scotland/ Transport is devolved so any money spent on HS2 is proportionately returned to Scotland via Barnett. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 One thing I will criticise the Scottish Government for is not imposing mandatory education on how this idiot fucking country works and that the treasuries of sovereign states like the United Kingdom don't work the same as your momma's purse. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dave and Anna Snow said: *Not sure if serious* Anna. Absolutely serious. So many people claim UK gov is ripping them off for this, that and the other it’s impossible to know what you’re talking about unless you state what it relates to. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: That doesn’t mean English taxpayers have an obligation to do so. Health/Covid is devolved. It’s the Scottish governments responsibility. She pushed the panic button and it’s down to her. All our taxes other than income tax subside for example the English transport network which is devolved why shouldn't we get some cash back when we want and need it. If we are a union of equals surely the treasury serves every part of the UK at their request. Instead and likely because the Government can't win the elections here we are passed over, we have already seen funding prioritised to new Conservative seats so this just follows the trend. When you have the elected governments of the devolved nations and London calling for funding to support their 19 million of so residents then it's a pretty strong case imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Left Back said: your view is not grounded in any political or economic reality. If England decided to go i to lockdown and Scotland didn’t would you think it’s fair that a proportion of your taxes was spent on it instead of being spent on Scotland? Also your example of how unfair it is is a bit of an oops. https://fullfact.org/online/hs2-scotland/ Transport is devolved so any money spent on HS2 is proportionately returned to Scotland via Barnett. I stand corrected on HS2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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